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Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

310.0. "RDB/VMS features and layered products" by CRUISE::JBONIN () Fri Mar 03 1989 14:54

    Does anyone have (or point me to) a list of main features of RDB
    and all layered products that can be used with it. I am currently
    in the process of evaluating the amount and variety of features
    and layered products between RDB/VMS V3.0A (or possibly FT3.1)
    and System 1032 V7.0 This may evolve intop a possible future migration 
    from 1032 to RDB/VMS for one of DEC's largest internal data warehouses.
    
    This could be the *big break* where DEC starts using its *own* product
    and eventually the entire corporation will follow to eliminate any
    need of 3rd party database products. I believe from what I have
    been reading in this notes file that _the time has come_ to re-
    evauluate the data warehouse space for internal database products.
    
    
    If anyone can point me to the right note or list the different 
    capapbilites of each product, I'd appreciate it.
    
    Best regards,
    
    John Bonin (DBA)
    U.S. Data Warehouse (formerly MIC & DRC)
    
    
    
    

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310.1DPDMAI::DAVISGBGil Davis - N55591Mon Mar 06 1989 16:08113
Here's a List I've been showing customers....
    Doesn't show products that WE sell (Decslide,graph,20/20,  cdd etc)
    But it's long enough....
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Gil

    (Thanks to John Naegely...and who knows WHERE he got it from...)
    
        
    
    
    ISV Products that use Rdb
______________________________________________________________________________
VENDOR          PRODUCT        PHONE NO.        FUNCTION          AGREEMENT
______________________________________________________________________________ 
 
Access          20/20          508-493-5111     spreadsheet       REFERRAL
Technology 

Alisa Systems   Sequelink      818-792-9474     desktop access    ISV 

BBN             Parlance       617-873-3412     natural language  CMP 

CACI            Warehouse      703-876-5403     warehousing/distr OEM
                Control Systems 
 
Cadre           Teamwork       401-351-5950     CASE              CMP
Technologies

CDC             Vista          301-982-9550     desktop access    ISV

Cognos          Powerhouse     508-535-7350     4GL               CMP

Computer Power  Today          408-249-9900     4GL, end-user     ISV
                                                tool

Cortex          Appl. Factory  617-894-7000     program generator REFERRAL

Cortex          Corvision      617-894-7000     CASE              REFERRAL

Countercorp     DECFIN         408-255-2920     accounting        ISV

Cullinet        Enterprise     617-329-7700     applic. develop.  CMP

Dacom Software  Janus          213-546-7575     CASE              ISV

Dacom Software  Leverage       213-546-7575     CASE              ISV

DEFT            DEFT           416-249-2246     CASE              ISV

DB/Access       Access/Star    800-982-9911     desktop access    REFERRAL

Diamond         COR/FLEX       313-476-7100     roll tracking     OEM
Automation

Eastman Kodak   KIMS           716-726-0149     desktop publish.  S/CMP

Easyspec        Easyspec       713-480-3233     CASE              REFERRAL

Execucom        IFPS/Plus      512-346-4980     exec. decision    CMP
                                                support

GE Fanuc        Cimplicity     804-978-5000     manufacturing-    S/CMP
Automation, NA                                  process control

Home Office                    913-888-1770     lab automation    OEM
Ref. Lab

Information     FOCUS          212-736-4433     4GL               CMP
Builders

Information     Level5         212-736-4433     expert system     CMP
Builders

Informix        Informix       415-322-4100     4GL               REFERRAL

Natural         Datatalker     415-841-3500     natural language  REFERRAL
Languages

Network         CL/1           408-257-6800     desktop access    REFERRAL
Innovations

Neuron Data     Nexpert/Object 415-321-4488     CASE              REFERRAL

Pallette        Pallette       603-886-1230     CAD               CMP
Systems
 
Pilot           Pilot          617-350-7035     exec. decision    CMP
Executive SW                                    support

Relational      Ingres tools   415-769-1004     4GL/tools         DDS
Technology      for Rdb

Salerno         SPM+           313-756-9292     factory data      REFERRAL
                                                collection

Signal          Smartstar      805-683-3771     4GL               CMP
Technology

Software        RSTAT          713-460-1210     SAS interface     ISV
Interfaces

SPSS            SPSS-X Capture 312-329-3500     statistical       REFERRAL
                                                analysis

SQ Software     SQR            216-397-0551     4GL, end-user     ISV
                                                tool

Userware Intl.  Gembase        619-745-6006     4GL, end-user     REFERRAL
                                                tool
    
310.2Here is a list of Rdb/VMS FeaturesCLYPPR::CARPENTERExiled CanardMon Mar 06 1989 17:26636
Here is one of a series of articles I put together for a special BUFFER issue
that we produced last July to announce Rdb V3.0 (I have a few copies left).
It details most of the features of Rdb as of V3.0 (next releases not included)
and should help. See me if you would like the pretty POSTSCRIPT or LN03 format
and I'll mail it to you.

ttfn...lc



                              The Buffer, Volume No., 16-Jun-1988




          Rdb/VMS V3.0

          Larry M. Carpenter, Database Systems Engineering,
          TTB1-6/E6, 264-3056


          Rdb/VMS V3.0 The Untold Story



          1  Overview

          Recently I was asked to fill in a chart of
          requirements for a database system that an outside
          consultant was going to use to do an evaluation of
          Rdb/VMS. As the chart did not ask for input on many
          of the things that Rdb/VMS V3.0 now supports, I felt
          it was in our interest to include them. Most of these
          features fall under the Database Structure section.

          Since the chart was completed, it made sense to
          include it here for general use by the field.





















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          Table_1:_Database_Structure____________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Database structure              Relational

          Multi files databases           Yes

          Partitioned Tables              Yes

          Record Clustering               Yes

          Multi-format Page Structure     Yes

          Database file placement         Yes
          control

          After Image file placement      Yes
          control

          Before Image file placement     Yes
          control

          Locking

                Database                  Yes

                Table                     Yes

                Page                      Yes

                Record                    Yes

          Performance Monitoring tools    Yes

          Database Restructuring          Yes while on-line

          Full VAX/VMS Cluster Support    Yes




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          Table_1_(Cont.):_Database_Structure____________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Snapshot Capability             Yes

          Database page size control      Yes

          Database creation parameters    Yes
          control

          Support for Views               Yes
          _______________________________________________________

          _______________________________________________________
          Table_2:_Database_Parameters___________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Maximum Size of Database        Limited by available
                                          physical devices

          Maximum Size of table           Limited by available
                                          physical devices

          Maximum Tables per database     1024

          Maximum Files per database      Limited by available
                                          physical devices

          Maximum Records per table       Limited by available
                                          physical devices

          Maximum Records per database    Limited by available
                                          physical devices

          Maximum Fields per record       2000

          Maximum Record size             16383

          Maximum Tables in a view        32




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          _______________________________________________________
          Table_2_(Cont.):_Database_Parameters___________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Datatypes Supported

                                                SIGNED WORD

                                                SIGNED LONGWORD

                                                SIGNED QUADWORD

                                                F_FLOATING

                                                G_FLOATING

                                                DATE

                                                TEXT

                                                VARYING STRING

                                                SEGMENTED STRING
                                          Unstructured datatype

          Support for Arrays              No
          _______________________________________________________

          _______________________________________________________
          Table_3:_Data_Dictionary_Functions_____________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          General Purpose Data            Yes, CDD/PLUS
          Dictionary

          Referential Integrity           Yes, in Rdb

          Stored Procedures               No

          Triggers                        No
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          Table_4:_Field_Attributes______________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Case conversion                 No (yes in forms
                                          packages)

          Default Value                   Yes

          Required field                  Yes (NOT MISSING)

          Acceptable Values               Yes (VALID IF)

          Verification                    Partial

          Formatting of data              Yes

          Calculated Fields               Yes (COMPUTED BY) both
                                          table and view

          Display Only                    No (yes in forms
                                          packages)

          Prompt                          No (yes in forms
                                          packages)

          Error Message                   No
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          Table_5:_Indexing______________________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Type Supported                  B-TREE and HASH

          Maximum numbers of indices

                 Per Table                Unlimited

                 Per Database             Limited by Max
                                          relations of 1024

          Maximum Number fields           2000

          Maximum Key size                254 bytes

          Order Options                   No

          Unique Index                    Yes

          Data Clustering by index        Yes
          _______________________________________________________



















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          Table_6:_Screen_Forms__________________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Default form generator          Yes with RALLY

          Able to design customized       Yes in FMS and TDMS
          forms

          Interactive Screen Painter      Yes in FMS and TDMS

          Ability to create forms in      Yes with RALLY and
          word processing editor          ALL-IN-1

          Multiple Tables per form        Yes in FMS and TDMS

          Multiple screens per form       Yes with RALLY

          Embedded processing             Yes with FMS, TDMS,
                                          and RALLY
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          _______________________________________________________
          Table_7:_Queries_______________________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Query by example facility       Yes with RALLY and
                                          TEAMDATA

          Exact match                     Yes

          Relational Operators            All but UNION

          Boolean logic                   Yes

          Ranges                          Yes

          List of values                  Yes

          Wildcards                       Yes

          Maximum/Minimum Values          Yes

          Aggregate Functions             Yes

          Sort results                    Yes

          Case Insensitive                Yes
          _______________________________________________________















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          Table_8:_Reports_______________________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Reports:

          Default report generator        Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Interactive report generator    Yes with DATATRIEVE,
          using screen forms/painter      TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Input source                    Table, rse, collection

          Multiple tables/report          Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Page formatting                 Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Data formatting                 Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Sorting                         Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Aggregate functions             Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Logical processing              Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          User-defined variables          Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Prompt for variables at         Yes with DATATRIEVE,
          runtime                         TEAMDATA, RALLY





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          _______________________________________________________
          Table_8_(Cont.):_Reports_______________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Output options                  Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          TEAMDATA, RALLY

          Applications Generator          Yes with DATATRIEVE,
                                          RALLY

          4GL                             Yes with DATATRIEVE (3
                                          1/2) and RALLY

          Default Menu generator          Yes with ACMS and
                                          RALLY

          On-the-fly datafiles            Yes with DATATRIEVE
                                          and RALLY
          _______________________________________________________

          _______________________________________________________
          Table_9:_Security______________________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Login password                  Yes with VMS user
                                          accounts and RALLY and
                                          ACMS

          Levels of access

                Database                  Database, table, view

                Other                     Procedures, forms with
                                          CDD
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          Table_10:_Miscellaneous________________________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Support for SQL                 Yes

          Support for Transactions:

          Logging                         Yes, after image
                                          journal

          Commit/Rollback                 Yes

          Roll Forward                    Yes

          Concurrency control             Yes

          File import/export              Yes with RALLY,
          capabilities                    DATATRIEVE, and
                                          TEAMDATA

          Online Backup capability        Yes

          Support for OLTP                Yes with ACMS

          Single-threaded vs multi-       Single, one per user
          threaded

          Support for VMS V5.0            Yes
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          Table_11:_Networked_Database_Support___________________
          Requirement_____________________Rdb/VMS________________

          Distributed processing          Yes with ACMS

          Remote Database access          Yes

          Multiple Database               Yes
          access/application

          Distributed databases           Partial with VAX Data
                                          Distributor

          Heterogeneous Networks          Yes

          Heterogeneous Database access   Yes with VIDA and
                                          VAX Link (VAX
                                          Link provides
                                          the capability
                                          of accessing IBM
                                          databases and loading
                                          an Rdb/VMS database)
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310.3List in .1 is NOT Correct !MAIL::DUNCANGGerry Duncan @KCOTue Mar 07 1989 15:0622
    ALL READERS PLEASE NOTE:
    
    	Home Office Reference Lab *DOES NOT* use Rdb *NOR* are they
    	an OEM.  I know this because they are my account.  

    	I've been trying to find the source of this data ever since
    	I received this same list over 3 weeks ago.  It seems than noone
    	knows where it comes from !!
    
    	I do wish the originators of this information would check these
    	facts before sending these lists and at least have the courtesy
    	of contacting the account rep. before publishing the customer's
    	phone number.  I suppose that since all customers are granted
    	an Rdb license with VMS 5.1, we'll have a new list that contains
    	every VMS customer !!
    
    	FYI ... Home Office uses Oracle .... they are a mixed environment
    	(Honeywell and MS-DOS) and needed something portable.  More
    	importantly, they selected a case tool that locked them into
    	Oracle !!
    
    	Gerry
310.4another fo paw...DPDMAI::DAVISGBLet's get Relational!Mon Mar 13 1989 00:357
    OOps....Sure would be nice if someone could verify all these software
    houes.....
    
    John, where'd this list come from?
    
    Gil