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Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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260.0. "dBASE DEC Sybase" by TROA01::COCHRANE () Thu Dec 01 1988 20:53

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    Does anyone know anything about the SYBASE connection/project/agreement
    with Ashton Tate? Is there an arrangement between them that is similar
    to the one we have with ASHTON TATE? Sybase sales people are telling 
    my customer that Ashton Tate will be using SYbase databases on the
    VAX.  Our agreement indicates they will be accessing Rdb/VMS
    and storing data in their own data format.
    
    Thanks for any info,
    
    Brian   
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260.1No one said the relationship was exclusiveCOOKIE::BERENSONVAX Rdb/VMS VeteranThu Dec 01 1988 23:2410
ASHTON-TATE is apparently making lots of agreements with lots of
different vendors.  Their strategy appears to be to work against ANY
database server.  The first agreement they made was with Microsoft to
work against their SQL SERVER, which is supplied by SYBASE.  Then they
made an agreement to use INTERBASE for something (like, where no other
database exists).  Finally, they made the agreement with us.  I'm sure
they'll make a similar agreement with IBM for the OS/2 Extended Edition
database.

I'm sure they will work against the VAX version of SYBASE.  So?
260.2THATIS::SIMPSONFile under &#039;Common Knowledge&#039;Fri Dec 02 1988 09:48213
ASHTON TATE CORP. - DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORTATION AGREEMENT
October 24, 1988

Remarks of:  Edward M. Esber, Jr.
             Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Ashton-Tate




It is an extreme honor for me to share the stage with Digital's Ken Olsen 
and Henry Ancona to make this joint announcement.  During my senior year at 
Case Western Reserve University, while completing my bachelors degree in 
computer industry.  My first professional programming job was writing 
assembly language software for a PDP 11/05-base, numerical controlled a 
inspection machine.  At that point in my life, my idea of nirvana was to 
some day have a PDP 11/45 of my own.  The year was 1973 - Digital's sales 
were $265 million and Ashton-Tate was eighty years away from its founding.  
Coincidentally, last year Ashton-Tate posted $267 million in sales.

I feel like I've come full circle.  It seems natural to me that the company 
I head, Ashton-Tate, will now play a featured role in connecting Digital's 
highly successful VAX line of computers -- and Rdb, its strategic 
relational database management system -- to the vast installed base of 
dBASE, the world's most popular personal computer database applications 
development envrionment.

Today Ashton-Tate and Digital Equipment Corporation are proud to announce a 
long-term strategic development and marketing agreement where Ashton-Tate 
will develop a family of dBASE products which will run across Digital's 
complete computing environment.

dBASE is the microcomputer database of choice for millions of users, 
thousands of application developers and hundreds of add-on products.  It is 
a standard that, at just seven and a half years of age, has lasted longer 
than any other microcomputer software standard.  dBASE IV, which began 
shipping today, consists of a back-end which is a multiuser relational 
database engine, and a front-end tht includes the QBE interface, the 
Applications Generator, the Report Generator, the Forms Generator and the 
dBASE/SQL language.  These tools and languages combined, form the richest, 
most powerful database applications development environment available today 
on any computer of any size.

There are more people doing applications development in the dBASE language 
that any other development language except COBOL.  dBASE/SQL is a language 
which combines the user friendly, comprehensive applications development 
environment of dBASE, with a full implementation of SAA-compatible
Structured Query Language or SQL, the powerful common data access language. 
SQL is the foundation of transparent heterogeneous connectivity between 
databases.  In addition to SQL, Ashton-Tate has added its own SQL language 
extensions and more than 300 new and enhanced dBASE commands and functions 
to the dBASE language.



Ashton-Tate/Digital


The agreement between Ashton-Tate and Digital calls for Ashton-Tate to 
develop character-based versions of dBASE for VAX users with VT terminals 
and graphics-based versions of dBASE for DECwindows/XUI workstations.  All 
will run under Digital's VAX/VMS and ULTRIX operating systems.  In addition, a 
PC-to-VAX connectivity link will be developed to allow PC DOS and OS/2 
dBASE users, along with VAX and Digital workstation dBASE users, to 
remotely access data in Digital's VAX RDB/VMS databases.

And through Digital's SNA gateways, access to IBM's DB2 and Cullinet's 
IDMS/R mainframe databases from dBASE will be provided.  Digital will 
ensure that dBASE/SQL works with the RDB relational database by modifying 
their SQL Services layer to accept dBASE commands directly.

Digital will aggressively market and support these dBASE propducts.

This relationship should provide the tightest integration possible between 
Digital's RDB relational database management system and dBASE.  This gives 
the users of RDB access to tremendous amounts of data stored in dBASE files 
and gives dBASE users access to the data stored in RDB and RMS databases.

This agreement also validates Ashton-Tate's advanced database strategy that 
was first articulated at press conferences in January and February of this 
year announcing SQL Server and dBASE IV.  We told the world then that the 
features and benefits of dBASE IV would extend beyond the PC environment.


We revealed our intention to:

* One) develop dBASE for multiple platforms which minimize our customer's 
training and support costs,

* Two) proliferate the rich application development environment embodied 
in dBASES's front end, and the dBASE/SQL language across multiple databases 
-- giving our users application portability,

* Three) deliver client/server architecture solutions as the cornerstone 
of computing for the 1990s, providing our customers with the most efficient 
way to leverage software investments,

*  Four) provide transparent connectivity across multiple hardware, 
database, user interface and operating system platforms -- providing users 
with the data they need at the desktop.


Ashton-Tate has clearly stated its intention to proliferate dBASE across 
multiple hardware, operating system and user interface platforms.  Future 
versions of dBASE will be available for the OS/2, Macintosh, UNIX and VMS 
operating systems.  Versions of dBASE for the DECwindows/XUI environment 
are an important first step in proliferating dBase to the Digital 
environment.


Ashton-Tate/Digital



Ashton-Tate and Digital's database solutions are based upon the concept 
that users want to work from a set of highly integrated, friendly database 
tools at the desktop.  This could be a PC, a terminal or a graphical 
workstation.  Our goal is to give VAX users the ability to solve their 
applications needs with the powerful front end tools and application 
development language provided by dBASE.  A character-based versin of dBASE 
for VAX users of VT Terminals, gives those users dBASE's powerful 
applications development tools and language using RDB as the multiuser 
relational database engine.

Users can remain in dBASE's familiar control centerr environment and gain 
transparent access and sharing of data regardless of the location, 
operating system or database -- be it native dBASE data, RDB data or even 
DB2 or IDMS/R data.

The control center is both a window on data and a window on the powerful 
dBASE application development environment.  Complete applications can be 
built -- without any programming -- using the control center's point and 
shoot menus, and without any user knowledge of the underlying hardware or 
operating system.  dBASE doesn't care whether its being run from a 
terminal, a workstation or a personal computer.

When we announced out commitment to the client/server architecture with 
dBASE IV and SQL Server, the database community was unsure of our strategy. 
Since then, however, the client/server model has emerged as THE strategy 
for the 1990s and beyond.

Now, in addition to supporting the SQL Server in the OS/2 environment, 
dBASE will support RDB under VMS as a server.  As I said earlier, our goal 
in this strategic relationship with Digital is to build the tightest 
possible link between dBASE on thedesktop as the front end and RDB on the 
VAX as the back-end server.

Applications which previously required an expensive IBM mainframe can now 
be written using dBASE and an RDB Server in the client/server architecture. 
Not only will the applications be less expensive but they will offer 
significant performance, feature and usability benefits.  dBASE and RDB 
provide all the performance, integrity, administration and concurrency of 
larger systems.

Apart from our tools and development environment, Ashton-Tate's future 
success requires transparent access to corporate data.  dBASE on the 
desktop has the unique ability to serve as a window on the corporate 
dataframe.  Because organizations have invested tremendous amounts of 
money, time and resources in their existing applications, the key to 
providing the window onto the dataframe will be linking these multi-vendor 
applications to form a comprehensive solution.  Our view of the 
connectivity evolution over the next decade shows a variety of clients 
linked with multiple servers, which in turn tap into a corporate dataframe 
be it a minicomputer or a mainframe.


Ashton-Tate/Digital



It was Digital Equipment Corporation which first concentrated on providing 
the best connectivity solutions to corporations.  Under Digital's 
single-system architecture, interconnected dBASE users will enjoy access to 
the most powerful business computing system ever devised.

With dBASE sitting on every desktop as the consistent user interface, users 
will be linked with Digital's RDB strategic database system and will have 
transparent connections to IBM's DB2 and Cullinet's IDMS/R databases.

In summary, we look at this announcement with Digital as our major 
introduction to the corporate-wide computing world.  Who better than 
Digital -- the company that created minicomputers -- to escort us into the 
corproate computing world.

The alliance between Digital and Ashton-Tate will produce unparalleled 
database solutions for our customers.







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R Ashton-Tate and dBASE are registered trademarks of Ashton-Tate 
Corporation.

TM dBASE III PLUS and dBASE IV are trademarks of Ashton-Tate Corporation.

TM CDA, DDIF, DCEnet/OSI, DECwindows, PCLAN/Server 2000, ULTRIX, VAX 
Rdb/VMS, VIDA, VT and VMS are trademarks of Digital Equipment Corporation.

TM IDMS/R is a trademark of Cullinet Software, Inc.

TM DB2 and SNA are trademarks of International Business Machines 
Corporation.





 
260.3dBASE supports Sybase on OS/2, Rdb/VMS on VAX NOVA::CASWELLWendy Caswell - Database Systems Product ManagementThu Dec 08 1988 16:0327
Ashton-Tate has a strategy in place to support several database servers and
environments.

They have publicly committed to supporting the following in the next release
of dBASE (dBASE IV V1.1):

	dBASE ---> dblibrary ---> Microsoft Lan Manager  --->  OS/2-Sybase

	dBASE ---> SQL Services > DECNET (DOS, VMS, Ultrix) >  Rdb/VMS


Ed Esber stated that Ashton-Tate will endorse other database server
environments in the future and called out specifically the OS/2 EE Data Manager
as well as DB2 on MVS. 

The deal as far as I know with Interbase is only for a local database engine
for MS-DOS. On the VAX, Rdb/VMS will be the PRIMARY database back-end for
dBASE. Hal is correct in saying that they can support other database servers
in the future, however they are contracturally obliged to utilize Rdb as the
primary engine.

Hope this helps clarify the positioning of  dBASE as a front-end client 
application development environment with the  best VAX back-end database 
server on the market today - VAX Rdb/VMS!

- Wendy