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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

244.0. "SQL TOOLS FROM INGRESS & ORACLE" by AUNTB::WILDER () Wed Nov 09 1988 20:20

{Requests are coming in concerning the availability of information 
    about SQL tools and the availability of those tools from
    Ingress and now Oracle through Digital.  Customers (and support
    within Digital) could benefit from knowing the location and quality
    of information available to us about those tools.
    
    Does anyone have any information about this subject at this point
    in time?  Would this be a good location to establish a consolidated
    list of availability?  Is anyone interested? 
    
    Feedback, please
    
    Rolston
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244.1ZKO folks might helpNUTMEG::SILVERBERGThu Nov 10 1988 21:205
    I believe the ULTRIX Third Party Group in ZKO and the Database
    Systems Group are the drivers of these distribution agreements.
    ORACLE info might be acquired from Mary Doyle in ZKO3, but I
    don't know who the RTI contact is.
    
244.2RTI ToolsCOOKIE::BERENSONVAX Rdb/VMS VeteranFri Nov 11 1988 19:075
We have no tools agreement with ORACLE, and they don't appear interested
in one (they just want to steal the entire database business).  We DO
have a tools agreement with RTI.  You could try contacting Vickie
QUILL::Farrell, the DBS Marketing Manager, who will pass the request off
to one of her people.
244.3a little more detailNUTMEG::SILVERBERGTue Nov 15 1988 14:406
    I think we're both right...our DDS agreement with ORACLE for all
    their products, including tools, is written for ULTRIX.  We have
    agreement with ORACLE to resell their tools on VMS under special
    prime circumstances under the Software Services Special Sales
    Agreement.
    
244.4AN optionBROKE::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Tue Nov 15 1988 17:2111
    Don't forget that SQL-based tools are still available from STI in
    the form of SMARTSTAR, a CMP, and BBJ Computers product, TODAY.
    Both are 4GLs that run on Rdb and RMS and are SQL-based. The advantage
    is that a rival database vendor need not be used.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
    
    PS
    Don't forget the charming arrangement where we sell Oracle/PC (DECnet
    ready, yet) via DECdirect. Competes nicely with our desktop
    connectivity strategy.
244.5MUCTEC::APPSVanilla flavoured TP....Thu Nov 17 1988 18:0710
                        <<< Note 244.3 by NUTMEG::SILVERBERG >>>
                           -< a little more detail >-
    
    >>agreement with ORACLE to resell their tools on VMS under special
    >>prime circumstances under the Software Services Special Sales
    >>Agreement.
    
    Would you care to enlarge on the term `special prime circumstances'?
    
    _John_
244.6You'll Love ItBROKE::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Thu Nov 17 1988 18:498
    As I understand it, if Digital is the prime , and the customer requires
    Oracle, then the sales rep can get credit for "selling" Oracle/VMS.
    
    Slick, huh?
    
    There are thousands of chances for abuse in this program.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
244.7revenue & customer satisfactionNUTMEG::SILVERBERGFri Nov 18 1988 15:0814
    If Digital is acting in an integration role or prime contractor
    role, and the customer requires a single point of sale/contact,
    Digital has had this special program in place for a while.  Other
    ISVs etc are part of the program as well, and it is coordinated
    through the Software Services org.  If you want further info on
    the program & ORACLE, contact Lisa Radcliffe or Jim Beebe.
    
    I suggest that if anyone thinks that abuses are either happening
    or pose a substantial risk, the SWS Program Manager should be
    contacted. I am sure they would be happy to acquire input. (I
    don't know who the right contact is).
    
    Mark