| Title: | DEC Rdb against the World |
| Moderator: | HERON::GODFRIND |
| Created: | Fri Jun 12 1987 |
| Last Modified: | Thu Feb 23 1995 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 1348 |
| Total number of notes: | 5438 |
During my benchmark last week in LAX, the Oracle person loading 5.1.22
on the system told me that Release 7 will have referential integrity
!!!!
I also found out that Oracle LAX has 3 pre-sales people for all
of Los Angeles. Looks like Oracle is not getting challenged on
technical merits which means the customer is buying the flashing
sales pitch and "portability" messages.
Also, during the development of this benchmark (against
Honeywell/Oracle) I located a person who has been a beta test for
Oracle V6/TPS and also ran some of their benchmarks. This person tells
me that the current version 6.0.20 still has problems and he/she
believes that it probably won't ship in November as planned and,
instead, believes that it will be after the first of the year.
Finally, another source at Oracle described the difference between
V6 and V6 with TPS. Seems that what will ship first is V6/TPS and
it only goes to customers who pay the 50-60% uplift. (Having
a maintenance contract does nothing more than give you the luxury
of paying this big amount for performance.)
For the customer that wants only V6.0, they'll have to wait while
Oracle "backs out" the TPS modifications. The regular customers
who want simple ole' row level locking won't get theirs until later
next year !!! (It's true ... that is EXACTLY what this tech person
at Oracle told me !!!)
Gerry Duncan
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| 207.1 | helpful info | ZPOV02::JEFFREYCHOY | Standup for Rdb | Mon Oct 03 1988 06:12 | 7 |
Gerry,
That is a valuable piece of information. I can now continue to
sing the tune that ... Orcale has no record locking....
cheers
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| 207.2 | Oracle V6 will have record level locking | DEBIT::DREYFUS | Mon Oct 10 1988 15:42 | 38 | |
> That is a valuable piece of information. I can now continue to
> sing the tune that ... Orcale has no record locking....
I would be carefull here. Oracle does have record level locking in
V6.0 with TPS - the release they will probably sell if performance
is an issue.
I would try to position V6 with TPS as follows:
1. Oracle offers performance and row level locking for an additional 60%
of license cost plus maintenance.
Rdb/VMS offers performance and row level locking as part of the package.
Rdb/VMS has had row level locking since V1 in 1984.
2. Oracle requires current sites to pay an additional 60% (depending upon
machine) for the next release of the product. Something that they may
have expected as a result of Oracle's very high maintenance costs.
Oracle customers are quite pissed-off that they are being hit for another
60%.
What next software update will Oracle customers expect as part of the package
for which they will actually be billed?
Rdb/VMS customers get their updates as part of the maintenance agreement.
3. Oracle V6 with TPS is in beta now with 170 level 1,2,3 bugs which
they hope to fix in two weeks. They are just starting to work on
archiving algorithms. They plan on production at the end of November.
Would you trust a product that was beta'd (field tested) for one month?
Remember, this is the first release with record level locking, on-line
backup, fast-commit, deferred-write, etc, etc.
--david
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