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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

195.0. "DBMS decision criteria?" by GUIDUK::KRUG (Answer in the form of a question.) Mon Sep 19 1988 20:28

    We are proposing Rdb to a customer who is about 90% sold on Oracle
    (as many seem to be lately).  The big plus they see for Oracle is
    the ability to run the same DBMS on both the VAX and PC's.  We're
    already working on turning that around into a minus in their minds.
    
    The good news is that their three major criteria are cost, flexibility,
    and productivity.  I say good news because these are areas in which we
    can make a very strong case.
    
    More good news is that they asked us for a list of DBMS decision
    criteria that we use internally.  It occurred to me that we probably
    don't need such a list, since we already know the best product.
    Nevertheless, this is an opportunity for us to set the agenda. Does
    anyone know of such a list or have one they could send me? I think they
    have in mind a checklist of features (ANSI SQL? precompilers?, is
    it relational?, etc.).
    
    The final good news is that they're not looking to make a decision
    until early '89.  I would still like to get in early and start shaping
    their thinking.
    
    Thanks,
    Paul Krug
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195.11,2,3 WE HATE ORACLE!!COOKIE::JANORDBYMon Sep 19 1988 20:4218
    
    I don't have a list, as such, but have a few questions that should
    be asked if Oracle is the competition.
    1) Availability. What does Oracle provide to ensure high availability?
    Online- backup? with multi device ready/write? with incremental
    backup. 
    2) Administration. Does the database need to be taken off line for
    space reclamation or other functions?
    3) How much does a run time liscense cost for multiple machines?
    Is the runtime option a subset of the complete package or must the
    entire software set be reinstalled (both disk libraries and memory
    usage).
    4) If it is important, include a question on interoperability. Oracle
    does not have a program that corresponds to VIDA.
    
    If/when you get a list together, please post it in the notes file?
    
    Jamey
195.2More IdeasBROKE::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Tue Sep 20 1988 00:0332
    Performance. -- You know, a real test with actual users (something
    Oracle hasn't tried). And is performance a part of the DBMS or is
    it an added-cost option? For instance, is row-level locking standard
    or a multi-thousand dollar option?                            
                                                      
    Breadth of tools - SMARTSTAR, PowerHouse, TODAY, FOCUS, InTouch,
    GemBase, DataTalker, Rally, Teamdata, Datatrieve, CorVision.
                                                      
    Five-year software cost comparison -- Bring out that lack of Oracle
    run-time and that marvelous 22.5% of LIST PRICE maintenance and
    support cost.                                     
                                                      
    Completeness -- How much extra will pre-compilers cost, how about
    DECnet access, how about remote database access (I see Pro*...,DECnet
    protocol, and SQL*NET in this customer's future). 
                        
    Commitment -- The customer has already committed to Digital for
    VAX hardware. Is he willing to go through that process again to
    commit to another vendor for something as critical as a database?
                        
    Interoperability -- Be careful with it right now. Oracle does have
    a conversion box for Oracle to DB2 interaction. But we can read
    IDMS/R, VSAM, IMS, and soon DB2 (program-announced). PC access is
    available now from third parties and will be better with the advent
    of SQL Services.
    
    Software Dependence -- Being totally dependent on a software platform
    is just as confining as being dependent on hardware...and much more
    expensive. Only 3GLs and ANSI SQL are truly hardware independent.
    That combination is also software dependent.
    
---- Michael Booth    
195.3try DSTAR for DBMS criteriaTRCA03::BROWNIan Brown @TRC 9/5 637-3339Wed Sep 21 1988 17:4321
  Re: .0
  >they asked us for a list of DBMS decision
  >criteria that we use internally.  It occurred to me that we probably
  >don't need such a list, since we already know the best product.
   
  Try talking to the DSTAR (DIS Strategies, Technologies, and Architecture)
  organization. "This group is primarily responsible for presenting,
  training, and consulting on the Technical Architecture to both internal
  organizations and customers."  Henry Theberge is Technical Architecture
  Manager within DSTAR.  His group does, I believe, have such a list
  of criteria for DBMS. (At one point the product which best matched
  was ORACLE, so it was used internally for at least one application.
  This is far from true now, "since we already know the best product.";-})
                                                                          
  Henry's presentation on DIA, Distributed Information Architecture,
  is extremely good and positions well the future directions of Digital
  in this area.  If he forwards such a list have him (or you should)
  post it here for all those who follow...
  
Regards,
  -ian  
195.4one possible source...TRCO01::BROWNIan Brown @TRC 9/5 637-3339Wed Sep 21 1988 23:0817
  continuing .3
  
  Another document, "Information Systems Technical Architecture Concepts",
  chapter 6 describes the criteria for Data Resource Management (10
  pages).  Summary:
  
  "Data Dictionaries and the various tools to help to manage business data
  are critical elements of a Technical Architecture.  This chapter
  describes some of these components and recommends the areas where
  standards are critical."
   
  This red covered volume, 100 pages in length, has NO part number,
  no author, no date of publication, no "For internal use only" disclaimer
  but I believe it is from DIS.
         
-ian