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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

166.0. "Oracle queries..." by ADOMV1::MANDERSON (the wind don't blow..... it sux) Tue Jul 26 1988 07:04

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Note 160.0                       Oracle queries                          1 reply
ADOMV1::MANDERSON "the wind don't blow..... it sux"  41 lines  22-JUL-1988 02:43
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Hi,

We have a defence (Navy) customer who is constrained to running Oracle
applications. They are currently using an 8530 (dual HSC70 and 8xRA82), 
and there is going to be an order placed for another box soon (few months 
out). Our problem is that the customer has a perception that VAXen don't 
deliver the MIP's required. (One reason is that the development team are 
accessing the VAX via TCP/IP and the response time is ssllooww - this is 
being taken as the poor VAX performance which in this instance is not true). 
Competitive vendors have indicated that Oracle 'is *better* on their box 
and since we offer 100 mips we must be a better vendor'.... (from
Pyramid) - or something like that. Presently the customer is very happy with 
us (in fact we are in there system managing a competitors *nix box as 
well as supplying VMS skills).

So if anybody out there *does* have some Oracle expertise/knowledge - we 
have a few queries:

	1.	Does an Oracle application *really* require lots of MIP's 
		(ie substantially more than we would expect for a similar
		Rdb style one).

	2.	Are there any other (preferably US Defence/Navy) customers 
		using VAXen with Oracle on large databases - say greater 
		than an RA82 (for now - and they are talking about 400Gb 
		being the final DB size). 

	3.	For an Oracle database growing into the Gb size what
		VAX configurations are customers using. 

    Have entered this request into PSS, SALES_SUPPORT and SOFTWARE_SERVICES
    notes files.
    
    Please send VAXmail replies to {ADO75A | ADOMV1}::manderson (or reply here).

Regards
Kevin Manderson
PSS Projects Manager
Adelaide, Australia.
    
    
    
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166.1SNOC01::ANDERSONKDown Under gets you mud in faceWed Jul 27 1988 15:487
    already here huh?
    
    Here is some gossip from Australia. The local ORACLE office recently
    advertised for a database technical consultant, at a salary 50 to
    100% over that of the industry (or Digital at least!). Perhaps they
    do so well because they pay very well and can pick the super-aggressive
    people to push (shove?) ORACLE? We hope it was a misprint....
166.2Probably TrueCREDIT::BOOTHBang the Conundrum SlowlyWed Jul 27 1988 18:216
    Oracle makes a habit of hiring the best and most aggressive sales
    people it can find. I would assume that habit persists in technical
    arease as well. They will pay what is necessary to get the people
    they feel they need.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
166.3Some reply resultsADOMV1::MANDERSONthe wind don&#039;t blow..... it suxThu Jul 28 1988 01:4417
    Well so far the info I have received back from both the various notes
    and people sending me info is:
    
    	NASA us an 8600 for the space shuttle inventory database - on
    	an 8600 running oracle
    
    	Many customers use Oracle on 8700's

       	From Customers here, Oracle is not believed to be as resource hungry
    	as Ultra. Neither being as efficient as Rdb.
    
    	Rdb 3.0 should dent Oracles market impression - performance wise.
    
From the Oracle advertising they are certainly aggressive.
    
    Regards
    Kevin Manderson