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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

150.0. "Reference Sites INGRES/VMS ?" by MEO78B::LANDSBERG (Things look great from Down Under) Wed Jun 22 1988 12:02

    Hi,
    
    Can anyone give good reference sites for INGRES on VMS. We have
    a customer who wants 50 concurrent users and up to 15 developers.
    Any information to help us with the sale will be appreciated.
    
    Thanks, Alex
    
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150.1let INGRES provide INGRES ref. sites - we sell Rdb/VMS!BISTRO::WATSONcan we have summer now?Thu Jun 23 1988 10:2913
    I hope that this note has been posted only after your attempts to
    do the following have failed:
    (i)		Sell Rdb/VMS.
    (ii)	Persuade INGRES to provide their own reference sites.
    
    I also hope that the customer is aware of (ii).
    
    This conference will not be used to do INGRES's job for them.
    
    	Andrew.
    
    ps Alex - not rrying to pick on you, but I think that we all need
    to remind ourselves of things like this from time to time.
150.2Don't need a reminder, thank youMEO78B::LANDSBERGThings look great from Down UnderThu Jun 23 1988 11:1919
    Andrew,
    
    In answer to your questions.
    
    (1)  Yes we have tried to sell RDB. The customer is already using
         INGRES and is going to stay with it.
    
    (2)  We have asked INGRES (Australia) for reference sites and they
         have been slow in answering us. As the customer is coming in
         for a talk tomorrow we wanted to have at least something.
    
    I know that this is an RDB notesfile. But I have been looking around
    for another appropiate notesfile and couldn't find any. This one
    seems to have quite a lot of information on ORACLE and INGRES. I
    have not been the first to ask for reference sites in this notesfile.
    I refer you to #49 - Oracle/VAX Reference Sites.
    
    Alex
    
150.3if the customer's mind is really made up, then...BISTRO::WATSONcan we have summer now?Thu Jun 23 1988 14:2111
    Glad to see you don't need reminding that INGRES is a competitor.
    
    And you are right, if the customer has already decided to use product
    X, and if they will choose a hardware platform other than DEC to
    run it on if we can't help them, then - and only then - this is
    the appropriate notes file.
    
    Good luck, although I hope that INGRES end up doing their own job
    rather than you having to do it for them,
    
    	Andrew.
150.4GE - Aircraft Engines uses INGRES/VMSWLW::SHUCKTISThu Jul 14 1988 19:4520
    GE - Aircraft Engines is currently using INGRES/VMS.  GE - Aircraft
    Engines has standarized on INGRES as their relational database product.
    There are two applications currently developed using INGRES/VMS.
    
    Both are Manufacturing Shop Floor applications.  One applications
    is used to maintain the "BUILD BOOK" data for jet engine assembly
    and to keep track of parts used in the assembly process.  This
    application currently runs in a three VAX node cluster of an
    8500, 8650 and 785.  There are currently 110 simultaneous users.
    
    The other application is a Factory Manufacturing system for
    time vouchering, parts tracking and sequence of operations for
    the manufacturing of engine parts.  
    
    Both systems are integrated to other applications, on the VAX and
    on IBM / PRIME systems.
    
    If you need additional or specific information regarding these 
    applications, please contact me.
    
150.5More information pleaseMEO78B::LANDSBERGThings look great from Down UnderTue Jul 26 1988 11:229
    Yes, the saleperson would love to receive more information like
    
    size of database
    
    and soforth.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Alex