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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

129.0. "Seasoned Beginners View" by RDGCSS::MCCREIGHT () Mon May 09 1988 13:32

    I am just ramping up on RDB, and all the "other products" available
    and
    their capabilities.
    As part of my self-education I attended the "INGRES KALEIDOSCOPE"
    last Thursday (May 5th). This was of course a Relational Technology
    roadshow.
    Consisted of demonstrations and seminars given by either RTI itself
    or (the majority) software houses & customers who chose to use INGRES.
    
    My impression, having been in DEC for 5 years now and only a short
    time getting into databases, is that DEC does have all the typical
    front-end stuff to hang on the database but it just doesn't come
    across as 'intrgrated', yet integrated is what the customer wants.
    
    This, I think, is partly a marketing problem - DEC is very conservative
    in their advertising I find - and partly, as other people have
    commented, that each product/engineering group maybe look on that
    product as 'their baby'.
    
    
    Hamish
    
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129.1Too Many ProductsQUILL::BOOTHA Career in MISunderstandingMon May 09 1988 16:2224
    The key difference seems to be marketing. We have the same options
    that Ingres and Oracle do, but they present those options far better
    than we do.       
                      
    Having been stuck with the VIA overview, I know it is exceedingly
    poor. Not only are there more than 90 slides, but most are text.
    The most disturbing part is that we present VIA as a product pitch
    on ACMS, CDD, TDMS, Rdb/VMS, DBMS, Teamdata, Rally, etc. We talk
    about the best features of each product. 
                      
    If it is a database sale, these products should be discussed as
    "options" for the database. ACMS is the "server option", CDD is
    the "dictionary option," TDMS is a "screen handler," Teamdata and
    Rally are 4GL options. There is not a great need to mention these
    other products by name. It is much more effective to discuss their
    features and benefits, and mention them as available options, not
    seperate products.

    If we are to succeed in this highly competitive market, we must
    more effectively market our products. That requires teamwork between
    engineering, marketing, and the field. We need to put egos aside
    and work for the success of Digital.
    
    ---- Michael Booth