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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

8.0. "PACE-info wanted" by BRSOPI::ROBBENS (Be humble,and be sure it's marked) Wed Jun 17 1987 12:15

    Since a couple of months, WANG is starting an agressive campaign
    concerning PACE. 
    Our prospects seemed (and still seems...) to be very impressed about
    this product. Some even spontanuously declared it to be the best
    tool they have seen untill this moment.
    
    Is there anybody out there knowing weak, very weak, strong, very
    strong, extra strong points of this PACE, or knowing where there
    can be found some (even objective...) documentation about it ???
    
    Luc.
     
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8.1PACE - info is what I gotTHE780::HAJMIRAGHAWed Jun 24 1987 01:196
    Hi there! I just joined DEC 2 months ago and before that I was working
    for WANG as a database specialist I can go=ive you tons of information
    about PACE if you are interested I am at (408)748-4269. Give me
    a call please.
    
    Mir Hajmiragha
8.2PACE articleVIRGO::RINKUSWed Jun 24 1987 21:1923
    Market research ctr. has a Gartner Grp. report on PACE. Its in their
    OIS newsletter. The reference number is P-970-414.1 The title is:
    PACE: WANG's best-kept secret. Let's keep it that way.
    
    I work w/ newly hired sales reps. Many are from WANG. Their comments/
    suggestions about competiting against WANG
    
    WANG is not perceived as a "data processing" company. They don't
    understand MIS. Emphasize DEC's technical strengths
    
    WANG service (h/w & s/w) comes no where near ours
    
    Most WANG reps are uncomfortable and ill-informed about database
    & application generation s/w.
    
    The information Iget about PACE is that it is a robust package.
    I intend to contact Mr. Hajmiragha to learn of any particular
    knockoffs. The best way I feel to beat WANG is to keep the decision
    focused on high level issues (architectures, service, commitment)
    and stay away from a feature-feature battle. 
    
    						-paul r.
    
8.3ISVs can help DEC beat PACEBMT::TIMMINSThu Jul 09 1987 19:4750
    Ditto on 8.2 about GG's Office Information Strategies service's
    research note on PACE.  
    
    I started with Digital (in the Financial Solutions Integration Center)
    on 6/29/87.  My previous employer was the Gartner Group's Software
    Management Strategies service (covering the S/370 software industry,
    and to a lesser (but significant) degree - workstations and Digital
    software industry).  
    
    While PACE is a 4GL for Wang, there are superior products that exist
    in the Digital arena.     
    
    Cortex's The Application Factory (TAF) applications generator coupled
    with its Corvision, application development (CASE-like) environment
    is recognized among my ex-F200 clients as one of the best products
    for Digital environments (average application in 90-120 days vs.
    traditional 18-24 months).  Other 4GL vendors for DEC are Cognos and 
    Signal Technolgies.  
                            
    A number of workstation-based vendors will also be providing tools for
    Digital systems.  However, the jury is still out on how effective
    (marketing, distribution) these companies will be.  A few to watch
    for:
    
    	1) SST (Xrb product, ADR is porting it to IBM, its in C), 
    
    	2) Online Database Software (IDMS PC environment, will be ported to 
           PC Networks and Vax/VMS (although some questions on funding, 
           distribution, and technical resources exist), and ODS is
           planning a DB2 workstation (may be useful for DEC as well).
      
        3) Ashton-Tate also has a project underway.  (A separate business
           group was establish to provide a VMS database capability).
           However, this appears more like direct competition to Rdb
           (it will be SQL-based in addition to some DBase command
           language conversion for porting existing applications).
           Tate has a lot to learn about distributed databases, but
           this may provide some leverage to accounts that have lots
           of PCs and are deciding whether MicroVax II (or 2000) servers
           are better than WANG-based systems.
    
    Gartner's SMS software service has published a number of articles
    relevant to Digital and Database.  I will compile a list and provide
    it in a future provide (within 2 weeks).  If any immediate need,
    please call me at 333-6771 or mail BMT::TIMMINS
    
    Regards,
    
    Larry T.