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Conference vaxuum::online_bookbuilding

Title:Online Bookbuilding
Notice:This conference is write-locked: see note 1.3.
Moderator:VAXUUM::UTT
Created:Fri Aug 12 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jul 15 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:440
Total number of notes:2134

272.0. "build fails with noroom under 1.2-b" by CSC32::STAMS (Mike Stams CSC/CS) Thu Feb 01 1990 19:54

    Problems building under DOCWTK010.
    
    the build fails with a NOROOM error. what is "funny" is that we build
    successfully under 1.1 20-mar-1989 baselevel.
    
    the source files are identical (except the include statement for the v1.1
    <dec_security> implementation)
    
    any ideas?
    
    i have posted as replies .1 and .2 the .lis files from 1.2-b and 1.1
    repsectively.
    
    thanx
    mike
    
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Date/Time:  1-FEB-1990 17:51:55.48
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272.3try it without the <include>VAXUUM::UTTFri Feb 02 1990 08:0311
    I tend to suspect the <include>. What exactly are you including --
    a tag def for <dec-security>? If so, it's not necessary as 1.2B
    supports <dec_security> for online output (in fact, the tag def
    for hardcopy output does not work online -- I've never heard of
    it causing this failure before, but I think that it could). I
    suggest that you try processing your book *without* the <include>.
    That will certainly narrow the list of suspects one way or another...
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mary
272.4i did and without <dec_security>CSC32::STAMSMike Stams CSC/CSFri Feb 02 1990 12:3613
    mary
    hmm i re-read my base note and i mis-spoke myself.
    
    what i ment was that the files are identical except for the removing of
    the (<include>).
    
    any way i removed the <dec_security> tag completely and it still dies.
    with noroom. 
    
    i also tried to build an other document and i get a dvc error.
    
    thanx
    mike
272.5What DVC error ?CLOSET::FITZELLput nifty saying hereFri Feb 02 1990 13:305
    Please post the  .lis file that has the dvc error
    
    Thanks 
    
    Mike
272.6dvc error .lis CSC32::STAMSMike Stams CSC/CSFri Feb 02 1990 13:5794
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Mike sorry for not including the .lis here it is...
    
    
    
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%TEX-I-LINETOOLONG, Line too long by 9.49914 points
-TEX-I-ONPAGE, on page [38] 

%TEX-I-LINETOOLONG, Line too long by 5.31998 points
-TEX-I-ONPAGE, on page [52] 

%TEX-I-LINETOOLONG, Line too long by 4.34384 points
-TEX-I-ONPAGE, on page [52] 

%TEX-I-PAGESOUT, 127 pages written.
-TEX-I-OUTFILENAME, 'DISK1:[STAMS.FOO]GUIDE.DVI_BOOKREADER'
[ C o n t e n t s   G e n e r a t i o n ]...
[ T e x t    F o r m a t t i n g   C o n t e n t s ]...
%TEX-I-INFO, loading online doctype design file, TEX$V2REFERENCE - on page [1]
%TEX-I-PAGESOUT, 1 page written.
-TEX-I-OUTFILENAME, 'DISK1:[STAMS.FOO]GUIDE_CONTENTS.DVI_BOOKREADER'
[ I n d e x    G e n e r a t i o n ]...
%INX-I-ENDPASS_1, End of first pass over input file: 
   'DISK1:[STAMS.FOO]GUIDE.INX'
%INX-S-ENDPASS_2, End of second pass over input file.
%INX-S-CREATED, 'DISK1:[STAMS.FOO]GUIDE_INDEX.TEX;1' created
[ T e x t    F o r m a t t i n g   I n d e x ]...
%TEX-I-INFO, loading online doctype design file, TEX$V2REFERENCE - on page [1]
%TEX-I-PAGESOUT, 1 page written.
-TEX-I-OUTFILENAME, 'DISK1:[STAMS.FOO]GUIDE_INDEX.DVI_BOOKREADER'
[ D e v i c e    C o n v e r s i o n ]...
%DVC-I-INCLUDING, including input file: 
   GUIDE_CONTENTS
%DVC-E-VMOVRFLOW, Internal device converter error, failure to allocate additional virtual memory 
-DVC-I-INPUTFILE, input file is: 
   DISK1:[STAMS.FOO]GUIDE.DVI_BOOKREADER
-DVC-I-ONPAGE, on page [23] 
 
%DVC-E-BOOKABORT, aborting run -- book  DISK1:[STAMS.FOO]GUIDE not created 


DOCUMENT /CONT/INDEX GUIDE ONLINE.REF BOOKREADER/LIST
Date/Time:  1-FEB-1990 23:50:31.73
CPU time: 668.40 secs.
    
272.7an updateCSC32::STAMSMike Stams CSC/CSSat Feb 03 1990 19:346
    re.5   the dvc error appers only occur under VMS X5.4-4CE.
    
    the noroom error occurs under 5.2, 5.3 and X5.4-4CE
    
    thanx
    mike
272.8Look for the FIRST warningSTAR::KRAETSCHNeXt Window PleaseMon Feb 05 1990 10:5934
If the text formatter generates warnings/errors, it is likely that Device
Converter will fail also--that's what warning and error messages are for.
If you look at the .lis file in .1, you will see (near the end) that the 
%TEX-E-NOROOM message is preceded by a %TEX-W-RUNAWAY, Runaway 'argument'
message, which I would suspect as the cause of the rest of your problems.

joe

Here is an abbreviated version of the .lis file:

%DOC-I-IDENT, VAX Document V1.2-B    25-JAN-1990 11:47:33.75
[ T e x t    F o r m a t t i n g ]...
%TEX-I-INFO, loading online doctype design file, TEX$V2REFERENCE - on page [1]
...
%TEX-W-RUNAWAY, Runaway 'argument'
%TEX-I-SHOWTOKEN, '{1'
%TEX-E-NOROOM, Exceeded memory capacity:
-TEX-I-MEMORYSIZE, Main memory size = 131072 words
%TEX-I-LINE, Error occurred on or around line number: 4348
%TEX-I-SHOWCONTEXT, '\block{1}'
%TEX-I-SHOWCONTEXT, '         '
%TEX-I-FILENAME, 'DISK1:[STAMS]STARDEFAE.TEX;2'
-TEX-I-ONPAGE, on page [113] 

%TEX-I-PAGESOUT, 112 pages written.
-TEX-I-OUTFILENAME, 'DISK1:[STAMS]VMS_VOL4.DVI_BOOKREADER'
%DOC-E-ERROR_FORMATTER, Errors found by the text formatter


DOCUMENT /CONT/INDEX/NOTAG VMS_VOL4 ONLINE.REF BOOKREADER/LIST
Date/Time:  1-FEB-1990 15:55:41.94
CPU time: 284.99 secs.
    

272.9CSC32::STAMSMike Stams CSC/CSMon Feb 05 1990 11:486
    re .8 
    yes i understand this....  
    
    but why does the book build fine under 1.1?!!!
    
    mike (who_is_very_confused_because_hardcopy_builds_fine)
272.10confusion reignsRAGMOP::UTTThu Feb 08 1990 09:2617
    Now, I'm confused...
    
    Your original problem was tex-out-of-memory, but the .lis file in
    .6 shows tex running fine but an error in the converter.
    
    Can you clarify the precise nature of the problem a bit?
    
    Many things have changed in the online tools since the March
    baselevel. Obviously, we don't *try* to introduce bugs when we
    change things, in fact, we try to change things for the better...
    But things don't always work out that way. I might be able to tell
    you why the book built under 1.1 but is failing now when I know what
    is causing today's problem.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mary
272.11clarificationCSC32::STAMSMike Stams CSC/CSFri Feb 09 1990 12:1016
    re .-1
    
    yes and it's my fault... my troubleshooting methods are some what
    bizzare.
    
    the noroom error was generated during the build of a book called VMS_VOL4.
    
    to see if the noroom error was document specific i tried a "smaller"
    document (GUIDE), which successfully made it past TeX but failed during
    device conversion.

    the noroom error occurs under 1.2-B and 1.2-A, VMS 5.2 through
    X5.4-4CE.
    
    sorry for the confusion
    mike
272.12Try <ONLINE_CHUNK> tagsVAXUUM::GRANTI&#039;ve saved $2343.00 since I quit smoking.Wed Feb 14 1990 17:4319
Hi Mike,

	Well, it looks like I've found the reason for your TEX-E-NOROOM
errors.  Sure enough, TeX is running out of room.

	TeX builds online chunks in memory.  Paragraphs are examples
of online chunks.  If an online chunk is too big, TeX will run out of memory.
The <online_chunk> tag was created for just this problem.   It's used to
decrease the size of the chunks.

	In each of the chapters I tested, there are paragraphs or lists that
are over 300 lines long.

	Try adding an <online_chunk> tag about every 100 lines or so in those
sections.  It worked for me.

	Let me know how it goes.

Wayne
272.13Thanx - <online_chunk> implementedCSC32::STAMSMike Stams CSC/CSFri Feb 16 1990 14:1218
Wayne

Thanx for the input.

i had modified the code generator to output a <ONLINE_CHUNK>  every 150 list 
elements. 

initial testing indicated that this would work. (i have not exhaustively tested
it).

sorry to have "wasted" your time.

my main concern was that the same code would build fine under 1.1 and not under
1.2-X. 

anyhow all is well and it thank you for your time and efforts.

mike_who_should_have_been_using_<ONLINE_CHUNK>_from_the_beginning 
272.14%DVC-E-VMOVRFLOW errorCASEE::BROWNLynda BrownFri Sep 14 1990 08:2452
    I've done a search for the error msg and this is the note that was
    pulled out.  I'll post the problem here with apologies if it should be
    in a different note.  I get the following error from the device
    converter when I try to build the book using online.hand for the
    bookreader:


%TEX-I-LINETOOLONG, Line too long by 9.31197 points
-TEX-I-ONPAGE, on page [366]

%TEX-I-PAGESOUT, 474 pages written.
-TEX-I-OUTFILENAME, 'VTX$USER:[BROWN.V42]4888-PROFILE.DVI_BOOKREADER'
[ C o n t e n t s   G e n e r a t i o n ]...
[ T e x t    F o r m a t t i n g   C o n t e n t s ]...
%TEX-I-INFO, loading local online design, TEX$V2HANDBOOK V1.2B-1 16-May-90, CUP/
ZK - on page [1]
%TEX-I-PAGESOUT, 2 pages written.
-TEX-I-OUTFILENAME,'VTX$USER:[BROWN.V42]4888-PROFILE_CONTENTS.DVI_BOOKREADER'
[ I n d e x G e n e r a t i o n ]...
%INX-I-ENDPASS_1, End of first pass over input file:
         'VTX$USER:[BROWN.V42]4888-PROFILE.INX'
%INX-S-ENDPASS_2, End of second pass over input file.
%INX-S-CREATED, 'VTX$USER:[BROWN.V42]4888-PROFILE_INDEX.TEX;1' created
[ T e x t    F o r m a t t i n g   I n d e x ]...
%TEX-I-INFO, loading local online design, TEX$V2HANDBOOK V1.2B-1 16-May-90, CUP/
ZK - on page [1]
%TEX-I-PAGESOUT, 7 pages written.
-TEX-I-OUTFILENAME, 'VTX$USER:[BROWN.V42]4888-PROFILE_INDEX.DVI_BOOKREADER'
[ D e v i c e    C o n v e r s i o n ]...
%DVC-I-INCLUDED, File doc$bookr_fonts:small_logo.rags was successfully included
%DVC-I-INCLUDING, including input file:
	    4888-PROFILE_CONTENTS
%DVC-E-VMOVRFLOW, Internal device converter error, failure to allocate additiona
l virtual memory
-DVC-I-INPUTFILE, input file is:
      VTX$USER:[BROWN.V42]4888-PROFILE.DVI_BOOKREADER
-DVC-I-ONPAGE, on page [33]
%DVC-E-BOOKABORT, aborting run -- book
       VTX$USER:[BROWN.V42]4888-PROFILE not created
[ I n d e x    D e v i c e    C o n v e r s i o n ]...
BROWN        job terminated at 14-SEP-1990 12:54:27.08


    I have the <ONLINE_CHUNK> scattered liberally throughout all the files
    that are used for the bookbuild.

    Can anyone help me out on this one?   I can post/mail the full .LOG file
    if needed.  Other info:  DOCUMENT V1.2-B  with VMS V5.3

    Regards,

    Lynda.						   		 
272.15Try Note 312.*VAXUUM::GRANTI&#039;ve saved $2659.50 since I quit smoking.Fri Sep 14 1990 10:503
    Have you looked at note 312.*?  Could your problem be VMS V5.4?
    
    Wayne
272.16CASEE::BROWNLynda BrownFri Sep 14 1990 11:227
    Thanks for the prompt reply.  We are updating VMS this weekend so I'll
    see if that fixes the probem.  Otherwise I'll get the new device
    converter installed.

    Regards,

    Lynda.
272.17NOROOM back under t2.0-1 DECWET::STAMSThu Sep 20 1990 02:4611
    It is Back....
    
    the noroom problem has resurfaced under DOCWTKFT020 internal kit.
    
    as noted in .13  i implemented the suggestion of .12 then, in fact this
    one of the "same" .SDMLs tha functioned under 1.2-b after "the fix".
    
    Very confused,
    mike
    
    
272.18Need more info...VAXUUM::GRANTI&#039;ve saved $2674.50 since I quit smoking.Mon Sep 24 1990 09:566
    Hi Mike,
    	Could you please send me a sample .SDML file that I could use to
    find out why you're getting the NOROOM messages?
    
    Thanks,
    	Wayne