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Conference vaxuum::online_bookbuilding

Title:Online Bookbuilding
Notice:This conference is write-locked: see note 1.3.
Moderator:VAXUUM::UTT
Created:Fri Aug 12 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jul 15 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:440
Total number of notes:2134

141.0. "Hyphens and dashes" by DSSDEV::EPPES (I'm not making this up, you know) Wed May 24 1989 11:30

    When you code SDML files for hardcopy output, you're supposed to use
    two hyphens to produce an en dash and three hyphens to produce an em
    dash.  Unfortunately, in online output, these dashes come out as two
    hyphens or three hyphens.  I suppose it's due to the online font, but
    it looks bad, especially if you're using two hyphens to produce an
    en dash for a minus sign. 

							-- Nina
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name		DateLines
141.1Bet this is another T1.2 problemAITG::WARNERRoss WarnerWed May 24 1989 15:005
    I'll bet you're using DOCUMENT T1.2. Bookreader files I made with V1.1
    come out fine: -- is an en dash. I used them in math, both in lists and
    tables, for the minus sign.
141.2CLOSET::UTTThu May 25 1989 09:1614
    Thanks for noting this. We recently received new fonts and apparently
    a change made to handle hyphens and dashes did not get made to them.
    I'll look into this.
    
    DECwindows fonts support the ISOLatin1 character set (VAX DOCUMENT
    supports an extended MCS character set). There are no en- and em-
    dashes in the ISO char set so, in the first version of the fonts,
    I made some changes such that 1, 2, or 3 hyphens typed in the file
    would always come out as 1 hyphen. (Typographical purists will
    object to this but it does look better than 2 or 3 hyphens strung
    together.) Eventually, the DECwindows fonts will support a publishing
    character set and the problem will go away.
    
    Mary
141.3Font is a 4 letter wordVAXUUM::FITZELLput nifty saying hereThu May 25 1989 11:534
    This is indeed a font problem and will be fixed for the next release
    which is coming your way soon.
    
    Mike
141.4how soon is "soon"?DSSDEV::EPPESI'm not making this up, you knowThu May 25 1989 12:188
>    This is indeed a font problem and will be fixed for the next release
>    which is coming your way soon.

    Any chance it will be coming our way before May 31 (the date we submit
    our Bookreader files for the July CDROM release)?  :-)

							-- Nina
    P.S.  RE .2 - yes, we're using DOCUMENT T1.2.
141.5DittoAITG::ISENJoyce, 291-8230 DLB5-2Thu Jun 08 1989 12:287
    Can someone give us an estimate of when this problem will be fixed?
    
    Waiting for the fix is much more appealing than changing (and possibly
    conditionalizing for online vs hardcopy) a lot of source code.
    
    Thanks,
    Joyce
141.6Very Very soonCLOSET::FITZELLput nifty saying hereThu Jun 08 1989 13:193
    Don't change any code! The fix is in the next release which is imminent
    
    MIke
141.7DECWET::OSHEAKate O'SheaFri Jul 21 1989 15:426
    Welll...I just ran my book through the new June baselevel, and I'm
    still getting one hyphen for an em dash and one hyphen for a hyphen.  I
    thought this problem would be fixed in this baselevel.  I'm using 
    online.hand.  
    
    Kate
141.8VAXUUM::UTTMon Jul 24 1989 16:359
    That *is* the fix. As noted in .2, the en- and em-dash characters do
    not exist in the DECwindows fonts (which use the ISOLatin-1 char set).
    Therefore, the only solution possibly is to make them all single
    hyphens.
    
    I mentioned in .2 that at some point DEC would support a publishing
    char set online. I have absolutely no idea when that might happen.
    
    Mary
141.9string of hyphens collapses to oneAITG::ISENJoyce, 291-8230 DLB5-2Wed Jul 26 1989 12:3735
Each group of hyphens in the following code example is now getting collapsed
into one hyphen:


Source code:


<code_example>(wide)
Parameter Name          Current   Default   Minimum   Maximum Unit  Dynamic
--------------          -------   -------   -------   ------- ----  -------
GBLSECTIONS                 512       250        20      4095 Sections
<endcode_example>


Former Output:


Parameter Name          Current   Default   Minimum   Maximum Unit  Dynamic
--------------          -------   -------   -------   ------- ----  -------
GBLSECTIONS                 512       250        20      4095 Sections



Output with June bookbuilding kit:


Parameter Name          Current   Default   Minimum   Maximum Unit  Dynamic
-          -   -   -   - -  -
GBLSECTIONS                 512       250        20      4095 Sections



Can you suggest a way to preserve the strings of hyphens?  I realize they're a
cheap substitute for underlining, but the code example is meant to duplicate
the output of the VMS SYSGEN utility.  Thanks.
141.10One possibilityCLOSET::FITZELLput nifty saying hereWed Jul 26 1989 12:594
    Could you do a dir/date doc$voila_fonts:decw$cour*.tfm and post it
    here. This looks very much like a font problem we had in the past.
    
    Mike
141.11correction to filespecCLOSET::FITZELLput nifty saying hereWed Jul 26 1989 13:035
    Correction that should be doc$voila_fonts:decwcour*.tfm
    
    Sorry about that
    
    Mike
141.12dir/date listing, as requestedAITG::ISENJoyce, 291-8230 DLB5-2Thu Jul 27 1989 09:4869
Mike, this is on the AITG cluster.
    
    /Joyce
    
Directory DOC$ROOT:[LOCAL.TEX.VOILA.FONTS]

DECWCOUR100.TFM;4    27-JUN-1989 10:32:20.00
DECWCOUR100.TFM;3    12-JUN-1989 15:39:47.00
DECWCOUR120.TFM;4    27-JUN-1989 10:32:37.00
DECWCOUR120.TFM;3    12-JUN-1989 15:40:05.00
DECWCOUR140.TFM;4    27-JUN-1989 10:32:59.00
DECWCOUR140.TFM;3    12-JUN-1989 15:40:23.00
DECWCOUR180.TFM;4    27-JUN-1989 10:33:18.00
DECWCOUR180.TFM;3    12-JUN-1989 15:40:41.00
DECWCOUR240.TFM;4    27-JUN-1989 10:33:36.00
DECWCOUR240.TFM;3    12-JUN-1989 15:40:59.00
DECWCOUR80.TFM;4     27-JUN-1989 10:32:01.00
DECWCOUR80.TFM;3     12-JUN-1989 15:39:28.00
DECWCOURB100.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 10:52:01.00
DECWCOURB100.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:42:41.00
DECWCOURB12.TFM;4     7-SEP-1988 15:17:02.00
DECWCOURB12.TFM;3     7-SEP-1988 15:17:02.00
DECWCOURB120.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 10:52:21.00
DECWCOURB120.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:42:59.00
DECWCOURB140.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 10:52:40.00
DECWCOURB140.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:43:18.00
DECWCOURB180.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 10:52:57.00
DECWCOURB180.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:43:36.00
DECWCOURB240.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 10:53:13.00
DECWCOURB240.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:43:54.00
DECWCOURB80.TFM;4    27-JUN-1989 10:51:42.00
DECWCOURB80.TFM;3    12-JUN-1989 15:42:22.00
DECWCOURBO100.TFM;4
                     27-JUN-1989 10:57:18.00
DECWCOURBO100.TFM;3
                     12-JUN-1989 15:45:31.00
DECWCOURBO120.TFM;4
                     27-JUN-1989 10:57:37.00
DECWCOURBO120.TFM;3
                     12-JUN-1989 15:45:47.00
DECWCOURBO140.TFM;4
                     27-JUN-1989 10:57:56.00
DECWCOURBO140.TFM;3
                     12-JUN-1989 15:46:06.00
DECWCOURBO180.TFM;4
                     27-JUN-1989 10:58:14.00
DECWCOURBO180.TFM;3
                     12-JUN-1989 15:46:27.00
DECWCOURBO240.TFM;4
                     27-JUN-1989 10:58:33.00
DECWCOURBO240.TFM;3
                     12-JUN-1989 15:46:48.00
DECWCOURBO80.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 10:56:57.00
DECWCOURBO80.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:45:12.00
DECWCOURO100.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 11:00:58.00
DECWCOURO100.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:48:47.00
DECWCOURO120.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 11:01:17.00
DECWCOURO120.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:49:06.00
DECWCOURO140.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 11:01:35.00
DECWCOURO140.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:49:25.00
DECWCOURO180.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 11:01:54.00
DECWCOURO180.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:49:44.00
DECWCOURO240.TFM;4   27-JUN-1989 11:02:14.00
DECWCOURO240.TFM;3   12-JUN-1989 15:50:03.00
DECWCOURO80.TFM;4    27-JUN-1989 11:00:37.00
DECWCOURO80.TFM;3    12-JUN-1989 15:48:13.00

Total of 50 files.
141.13SO far it's not the fontsCLOSET::FITZELLput nifty saying hereThu Jul 27 1989 13:036
    You've got the right font files the only other file concerning fonts
    that might cause this is DOC$LOCAL_FORMATS:SDMLVOILA.FMT_MACRO. If the
    date is the 27-JUN-1989 it's the right one and the fonts will be off
    the hook for this problem.
    
    Mike
141.14fixed July 24AITG::ISENJoyce, 291-8230 DLB5-2Mon Jul 31 1989 09:492
    Rebuilding with the July 24 toolkit fixed it.  Thanks for looking into
    the problem.