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| 127.1 | waiting for the index | AITG::WARNER | Ross Warner | Mon May 08 1989 12:20 | 4 |
| Very nice! When the Bookreader supports master indexes, can we count on
you to provide one?
8^)
Ross
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| 127.2 | May I be so nosy as to ask ... | YUPPIE::COLE | I'd rather be burned out than RUSTED out! | Mon May 08 1989 14:35 | 1 |
| ... where you got the SOURCE files for that?!?!?!?
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| 127.3 | Just tried it with network access and it looks good ... | YUPPIE::COLE | I'd rather be burned out than RUSTED out! | Mon May 08 1989 16:48 | 7 |
| ... but it's a little dry without the fancy pictures like in my family
Bible at home! >:)
BTW, Alfred, what kind of node is CVG::? I used a logical to point to
it in the SHELF file, and performance was very acceptable! Promise not use it
except during the "break" hours. Also WHERE is CVG:: Cincinnati? (airport/VOR
designator is CVG, I think).
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| 127.4 | And the Copyright notice at the front is rather cute! :>) | YUPPIE::COLE | I'd rather be burned out than RUSTED out! | Mon May 08 1989 17:18 | 0 |
| 127.5 | still looking for other translations BTW | CVG::THOMPSON | Protect the guilty, punish the innocent | Tue May 09 1989 11:17 | 21 |
| Yes a master index would be nice to have. I thought about building
it as one book for that reason but put it aside as I don't really
have time to do index work on it. Perhaps later.
The source came from an RMS index version that has been on the net
for a while. It had a verse in each record with the book, chapter and
verse as the key. It was a SMOP to build a program to read the RMS
file and build properly formatted SDML files. Though there is still
a bug and a few books have the first chapter as part of the preface.
I plan to fix it and rebuild the books over night.
CVG is a cluster (2 6220s and about 12-14 workstations) in Salem NH.
CVG stands for Cluster Validation Group.
The copyright is rather cute but you realize that the Bookreader
edition can be legitimately copyrighted. Personally I think it makes
a good OOTB application. Though it would be better with some sort
of indexing, cross references, and footnotes. Anyone want to fund
a Bible scholar? :-) (Not that I'm one.)
Alfred
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| 127.6 | Pictures? Got any? | CVG::THOMPSON | Protect the guilty, punish the innocent | Tue May 09 1989 11:21 | 9 |
| Oh almost forgot. Pictures. Wouldn't that be nice? I don't
suppose anyone has any appropriate images that aren't
someone elses copyright?
I'll take other suggestions as time permits to. Send mail though
as I don't follow this conference all that regularly right now.
Alfred
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| 127.7 | an indexing we will go :-) | CVG::THOMPSON | Aut vincere aut mori | Fri Oct 19 1990 16:37 | 17 |
| > <<< Note 127.1 by AITG::WARNER "Ross Warner" >>>
> -< waiting for the index >-
>
> Very nice! When the Bookreader supports master indexes, can we count on
> you to provide one?
> 8^)
> Ross
An index is in the works if people are interested. Across the 66 books
I've got about 51,000 index entries. So far I've got the As,Bs, and Cs
with a few random words that start with other letters. When master
indexes are supported I can probably be counted on to do one. We'll
see. Any idea if there is a top end to how many index entries one can
have in a book? (In case I decide to try and merge all 66 into one
rather large book.)
Alfred
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| 127.8 | | AISG::WARNER | It's only work if they make you do it | Mon Oct 22 1990 10:35 | 10 |
| That's great; sounds like a lot of work.
How does it happen that you have As, Bs, and Cs? I would
think that you'd go through the books sequentially, indexing
what you find. Do I detect some kind of automated process
here?
-Ross
P.S. <X>(Lilies <XS>of the field)
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| 127.9 | what do you think God invented computers for :-) | CVG::THOMPSON | Aut vincere aut mori | Mon Oct 22 1990 13:47 | 19 |
| RE: .8 Yes you detect some sort of automated process. The source
file I start with is an indexed file (key is book,chapter,verse).
I have a program that reads this file and produces an SDML. For
each verse I break it down into words and then determine if any
of the words in the verse matches any of the words in my "hit list".
If it does I create an <x> record. The index record includes the
three words before and after the "hit" word for context. I also put
the book/chap/verse in it. The word itself is italicized. Sample line:
<x>(DAY<xs>Until the <emphasis>(day) in which he;Acts 1:2)
It's somewhat crude but seems to work fairly well. It beats making
a lifework out of indexing by hand. The "hit list" is an ascii file,
one word per line. I'm finding the words for it from a concordance I
have plus some other words I want to make sure are in it. Last night
I added Ds and Es. It gets tiresome as I'm not a great typist so I
just do a little at a time.
Alfred
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| 127.10 | virtually no maximum | OLD::UTT | Don't worry, be crabby. | Tue Oct 23 1990 11:15 | 9 |
| RE .7:
The VAX DOCUMENT indexing gurus report that "the maximum number of
entries is dynamic and based on the amount of memory available to
the process." The VMS docset master index is our biggest test case
so the maximum is that number of entries plus however many it takes
until your process runs out of memory.
Mary
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| 127.11 | how many entries in the VMS master index | CVG::THOMPSON | Aut vincere aut mori | Tue Oct 23 1990 11:41 | 4 |
| RE: .10 Sounds good. I don't think I'll have more then 250,000
entries when I'm done.
Alfred
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| 127.12 | caveat | OLD::UTT | Don't worry, be crabby. | Tue Oct 23 1990 11:58 | 10 |
| RE .11:
NB: .10 refers to the limits of the VAX DOCUMENT indexing software for
hardcopy output. The Bookreader does not, as yet, support master
indexes. The goal, of course, is to provide the same support for online
master indexes as for hardcopy, but it is hard to make assertions about
undeveloped, untested software...:-)
Mary
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| 127.13 | and I'm only 75% done with the index :-( | CVG::THOMPSON | Aut vincere aut mori | Sat Oct 27 1990 23:27 | 12 |
| RE: .10 Hum, I'm running out of memory already it seems. Even
without trying to do a master index. My systems VIRTUALPAGECNT
is only 600,000 and PGLFQUOTA is only 110,000. Any idea how
high I'll have to raise them? I don't have much over 8800 index
entries. (Is that considered alot? I have no idea.)
It appears to build the index and table of context ok. I get the
insufficient virtual memory message while document is trying to
put the whole book together. I looked through CLOSET::DOCUMENT
and it looks like I should be ok. Ideas?
Alfred
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| 127.14 | reducing the entries isn't as easy as addeing them | CVG::THOMPSON | Aut vincere aut mori | Tue Oct 30 1990 22:18 | 12 |
| I posted a note in the Document conference and someone looked
at my DVI files. I'm told I've run up against an internal limit.
For me it happens after about 7600 index entries. I may try and
simplify them but I suspect it's the raw number that is the problem.
I guess I will not bother trying to put them all into one book.
If 7600 doesn't fit, 218,000 probably will not either. I may try
building a hard copy version just for the fun of it though. It
may be interesting to see if the limits are the same. (I'm not
about to try and print it though.)
Alfred
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| 127.15 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Semper Gumby | Thu Mar 28 1991 17:01 | 34 |
| Assuming you've actually using the Bookreader Bible you've
probably run into a situation where you wanted to look up a
reference. Now if you knew what book the reference was in it
was fairly easy. You just used the index in the book. If you
didn't know what book it was in you had to go book by book.
Or wait until you could get to a paper Bible. Or you just
gave up. Well that may all change for you now.
An online whole Bible concordance now exists and can be yours
for the cost of copying about 77,500 blocks worth of files to
your local DECW$BOOK: device.
The concordance consists of a BIBLE_INDEX.DECW$BOOKSHELF file
and 25 letter books (no "X" entries right now. Should there be?).
You may copy all these files using the command:
$ COPY CVG""::DECW$BOOK:BIBLE_INDEX*.DECW* DECW$BOOK:
Although I'd use FTSV (SPOOL) as this will take a while. Then add
the line
SHELF\BIBLE_INDEX\Whole Bible Concordance (For The Authorized Translation)
To the top level Bible DECW$BOOK file. You should then be all set.
Unfortunately you can't click on one of these entries and jump
right to the verse in the Bible Book itself but at least you
can find pointers easier.
Comments on this and the Bookreader Bible are always welcome.
Regards,
Alfred CVG::THOMPSON
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