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Title:VMS Curriculum
Moderator:SUPER::MARSH
Created:Thu Nov 01 1990
Last Modified:Sun Aug 25 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:185
Total number of notes:2026

23.0. "VMS FOR ADVANCED APPLICATION USERS - CHAPTER REV" by HARDY::REGNELL (Smile!--Payback is a MOTHER!) Tue Nov 27 1990 13:02

    
    LEXICAL FUNCTIONS
    
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23.1draft ready for reviewHARDY::BUNNELLMon Dec 10 1990 12:285
    A draft of this module is available for review in:
    
    	super::es$review:[ra0294]ra0294_chap_4_profile.ps
    
    Hannah
23.2Reading, UK - first passUKEDU::SHONEKeith Shone @RKA 830-4074Thu Dec 13 1990 10:3239
    I found the flow of this chapter OK.
    My nits, typos and other observations are below.

    NOTE: These are my feelings etc. not of the UK as a whole.

    I comment on typos etc on instructor pages as well as customer pages.
    Instructors deserve to have unambiguous, correctly spelled and
    technically accurate information too! :-)
    
    Instructors will need to be careful delivering this session. Lists of
    information don't always make exciting listening, especially first
    thing after lunch!

    Some text missing, especially in introductory pages.

    Not sure that escape sequences are best placed in this chapter.

Page	Observation
----    -----------

1-11	No Figure 1-1

1-14a	Line 4: Typo: F$SETPRIV -> F$SETPRV

1-14	Last line: Typo: TMPRMBX -> TMPMBX

1-18	No Figure 1-2

1-24	Bullet 6: Example: PHRASE should be preceded by a dollar 
	sign as it's an assignment. The call to F$FAO doesn't
        work anyway! There should be four spaces between "IS and
	"HUMAN" too! Correct version is

	$ PHRASE = F$FAO ("TO !#(#AS)", 3, 6, A, B, C)
	$ SHO SYMBOL PHRASE
 	  PHRASE = "TO ERR   IS    HUMAN "
	
	Shouldn't we find a new example rather than stealing one 
	from the VMS HELP Library ;-)	
23.3Appendix?SUPER::REGNELLSmile!--Payback is a MOTHER!Thu Dec 13 1990 18:2116
    
    Keith,
    
    Much of the lexical function listings were placed in an
    appendix for V5.4 of SYSMAN II...we could do the same here,
    but it makes the chapter very slim.
    
    What do you think?
    
    It removes the possibility that some instructors will try to talk
    their way through the entire listings...
    
    Just a thought?
    
    Mel
    
23.4%ME-W-NOTCRE, Not being creativeUKEDU::SHONEKeith Shone @RKA 830-4074Fri Dec 14 1990 09:1118
    Hum.....
    
    I guess what I'm trying to say is - this is probably the way I'd have
    done it and I don't like myself for doing it this way!
    
    I've tried to be creative - note, tried - and wasn't successful.
    
    What I would like to have is a guide to getting information out of VMS.
    For example I need information about working sets, so where do I look?
    One answer would be lexical function, another would be SHOW WORKING_SET
    and so on. But that doesn't solve the present problem of a list.
    
    I could deliver from this chapter OK. It has been grouped functionally
    and the demos are short and to the point.
    
    Perhaps someone else out there has some ideas? (nudge nudge wink wink...)
    
    Keith
23.5What we need is...SUPER::REGNELLSmile!--Payback is a MOTHER!Fri Dec 14 1990 11:2021
    
    Well,
    
    What I would like to see is this whole two-day session
    as a hands-on experience developing a series of dcl
    command procedures that do a series of 'tasks'...and
    introduce the different topics as an outcome of needing
    to do a specific task.
    
    My problem is that I can't seem to come up with a believable 
    series of tasks to hang it on. So, we are stuck with this kind
    of presentation.
    
    If someone could come up with a really believable series of tasks
    or problems ot solev that we could structure these two days
    around I would jump for it.
    
    Any takers?
    
    M_