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Conference 44.370::system_management

Title:system management communications forum
Moderator:CHEST::THOMPSON
Created:Fri Mar 21 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jul 08 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:490
Total number of notes:2018

443.0. "APPENV protection problem on Futurs." by CHEST::BARKER (Now @NEW, ex. RYO,UCG,SBP,RES & REO) Wed Oct 16 1991 15:03

    When using an APPENV-generated environment on FUTURS I get a strange
    problem which I am sure never used to happen before VMS V5.4
    
    If, when logged into my own account, I try to create a file in one of
    the application directorys, using an editor, a CREATE/ACL or even just
    a straight CREATE, it puts a strange ACL on the beginning, for
    example...
    
    CSB> cre odw$$d_dat:a.a
     Exit
    CSB> dir/sec odw$$d_dat:a.a
    
    Directory DISK$DATA2:[ODW010.DAT]
    
    A.A;1                ODW                   (RWE,RWE,,)
              (IDENTIFIER=[SDE,BARKER],OPTIONS=NOPROPAGATE,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+
              EXECUTE+CONTROL)
              (IDENTIFIER=ODW,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)
    
    Total of 1 file.
    CSB>
    
    It does not, as you see, give me the right to delete the file ( or,
    therefore to rename or supercede it ). The only solution is to go in
    and change the ACL, using the ACL editor, and then delete it.
    
    can anybody tell me
    
    	- Why it creates this extra ACL
    	- What can I do to stop it
    	- Is everybody else having this problem, or is it that they are all 
    	  just smarter than me ?
    
    Chris
    
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443.1CURRNT::ALFORDAn elephant is a mouse with an operating systemWed Oct 16 1991 17:0445
Chris,

>>>>

    A.A;1                ODW                   (RWE,RWE,,)
              (IDENTIFIER=[SDE,BARKER],OPTIONS=NOPROPAGATE,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+
              EXECUTE+CONTROL)
              (IDENTIFIER=ODW,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)
    CSB>
    
    It does not, as you see, give me the right to delete the file ( or,
    therefore to rename or supercede it ). The only solution is to go in
    and change the ACL, using the ACL editor, and then delete it.
    
    can anybody tell me
    
    	- Why it creates this extra ACL
    	- What can I do to stop it
    	- Is everybody else having this problem, or is it that they are all 
    	  just smarter than me ?

>>>>

    
This is not a feature of 5.4  This has always happened since 5.0

The "cure" is to put a default protection of O:RWED on the *TOP* directory of
the application.

This stops this idiocy.

I think you will find that your top directory only has O:RWE hence the missing
DELETE on the ACE.

Example:

$DIR [000000]FAC010/SEC

FAC010.DIR		[FAC]	(RWE,RWE,,)	
     .
     .
     .
     (DEFAULT_PROTECTION, SYSTEM:RWED,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:,WORLD:)