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| 267.1 | | CURRNT::BADMAN | You're ugly, but you intrigue me! | Tue Aug 08 1989 11:08 | 5 |
| See note 262.
Jamie.
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| 267.2 | pardon me, but............... | CRATE::CROSSLEY | | Tue Aug 08 1989 15:22 | 11 |
| >> R.e See note 262
I have.
If you do a 'SHOW VERSION' in LSE on RDGOAR:: you get the following:
LSEVE VERSION X3.0-000
Unless it's telling me lies, can we have LSE v3 please ?
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| 267.3 | | CURRNT::WRIGHT | I AM a member of this company | Tue Aug 08 1989 16:10 | 8 |
| > LSEVE VERSION X3.0-000
means experimental version 3.0-000
Tony
(unless I'm telling lies)
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| 267.4 | | CURRNT::BADMAN | Mediocrity thrives on Standardization | Tue Aug 08 1989 16:37 | 5 |
| The point is, unless it's mentioned in Ease, you can't have it.
(Reference : note 262.*)
Jamie.
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| 267.5 | Field test software == caution. | HEWIE::RUSSELL | One man's floor is another man's ceiling. | Thu Aug 10 1989 12:30 | 31 |
| re.4;
>The point is, unless it's mentioned in Ease, you can't have it.
>(Reference : note 262.*)
Not quite true, but we do need to be aware of the potential problems if
we step outside of the EASE environment.
For example, EASE does not come with DECforms, but that's not to say
you shouldn't be using DECforms in your development.
To get back to the case in point; in general we don't run Field test
software on our main clusters.
If there is a specific need, or bug fix, then we *might*. More likely
we would install it on a microvax, though.
For example, we are running VMS V5.2 and DECwindows V2 FT on most of our
new workstations, so we aren't tied in exclusively to EASE.
If you have a specific need for LSE V3.0, please pop round and see one
of the consultants - we are here to help, not hinder, although I know
it doesn't seem like it at times!
I know that there are several releases of products coming/very nearly here
that integrate the VAXset of products more closely, but I don't think one of
the main clusters is the place to work on them until they are out of
field test. LSE V3.0 is only one of this product set.
Peter.
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| 267.7 | No sooner said..... | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Thu Aug 31 1989 13:44 | 12 |
| >For example, EASE does not come with DECforms, but that's not to say
>you shouldn't be using DECforms in your development.
If you expect anything to run in the countries, please conform to EASE, or we
may have big problems.
If you go with DECforms V1.0, and Milan with DECforms 1.1.......what do we do???
I'll bring this up at the meeting in Fernay tomorrow.
Heather
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| 267.8 | | CHEST::CHAMBERS | | Mon Sep 04 1989 14:08 | 9 |
| >If you expect anything to run in the countries, please conform to EASE, or we
>may have big problems.
>If you go with DECforms V1.0, and Milan with DECforms 1.1.......what do we do???
Surely in a development environment, on which products are to be
developed for the future (ie the FUTURS cluster), we should be running
software ahead of the field (ie lse V2.3, or even V3.0). This would
mean when we released we would be using up-to-date software!
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| 267.9 | This isn't the right place for this discussion. | HEWIE::RUSSELL | One man's floor is another's ceiling. | Mon Sep 04 1989 15:30 | 20 |
| Please don't side-track this conference into an EASE discussion.
There is a conference (RUTILE::V5_MIGRATION) for EASE questions and
problems.
If you have any specific comments or quesries on EASE, please contact
your local EASE representative. I have the honour (ha!) to hold that
position for Euro ADG at the Crescent.
I still haven't heard any convincing arguments for installing field test
software on any of the major ADG clusters.
Mark, EASE V5.1 is now installed on the ORFUL cluster if your application
wishes to do specific EASE V5.1 testing. However, it's a bit late, as we've
already told Area I.S. that none of UCG's applications need any changes.
There is no valid reason for any project releasing software that does not
use "up-to-date software".
Peter.
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| 267.10 | Whatever happened to upward compatibility? | CURRNT::JENKINS_R | We've got a full tank of gas | Mon Sep 04 1989 17:14 | 9 |
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For development purposes, should not FUTURS have the latest software
installed. (By latest I mean "released by SDC (or whatever its
called)"
To be constrained by what will be in the next release of EASE, seems
to be inappropriate.
Richard.
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| 267.11 | SDC is now SSB (Software Supply Business?) | HEWIE::RUSSELL | One man's floor is another's ceiling. | Mon Sep 04 1989 18:37 | 16 |
| re .10;
Richard, the constraint is not necessarily "what is in the next release of
EASE" , but "what will the field be running when your software is released".
If you have a long development cycle (i.e. > 6 to 9 months) then you may
find that the main ADG Clusters do not have an appropriate development
environment; you may be using FT software, that will be SSB by the time
you release, etc.... In this case a microvax may be a better development
environment.
I'll say this one last time; this is *not* an appropriate forum to discuss
the merits or otherwise of EASE. If you have specific questions please
call me, mail me, or come and see me, or use the EASE notes conference.
Peter.
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| 267.12 | | CHEST::CHAMBERS | | Tue Sep 05 1989 10:34 | 13 |
| Peter, I thought that FUTURS was intended as a machine for products
with reasonably long development cycles and CURRNT for those with
lesser.
There must be some reasons for using field-test software or else
FUTURS would not be running field test SCA.
Lastly, I am not discussing EASE just the products that I would like
to see on our machines. As this is rather specific, surely this
*is* the right forum.
Mark.
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| 267.13 | OK - one last time, then I won't bite any more... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | One man's floor is another's ceiling. | Tue Sep 05 1989 11:35 | 34 |
| At the time I wrote note 262.1, The release notes for VMS V5.0-2 and
also VMS V5.1 did not include LSE V2.3 as being available for those
releases.
This may be that it just hadn't been tested yet, or it needed a different
version, or it may been forgotten off the list. EASE had nothing to
do with my statement.
Re .12
The layered product list for VMS V5.2 still states that LSE V2.2 is the
"currently available version".
As I said in 267.5, if you have a specific need, come round and see us.
If you have a valid reason, and it won't impact anyone, we'll be
very happy to arrange installation. The problem usually is that the
new version often does impact other people (remember Document?)
It's impossible for me, or any one else, to keep track of the extremely
large list of VMS layered products. It will get easier now that we
recieving the CD-ROMs for on-line documentation, and soon, VMS
software distributions. As an aside, the next release of EASE will be
on CD-ROM. We've also been asked by external cutomers if EASE (or
something very similar) can be made available *for sale* to them,
also on CD-ROM. The production plant at Galway is due on-stream soon.
Maybe ADG will start producing software on CD-ROM - it's not too
far-fetched an idea!
Re .12; SCA has very little (or no) impact on our production software
that we release, and so there is no problem with running FT SCA.
LSE isn't quite the same, as the new releases are integrated with the
rest of the VAXset products. If there is a feature of LSE X3.0 that you
need or want, come and discuss it with us. Up to now, no-one has.
Peter.
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| 267.14 | Use LAVC's or microVAXes | NECK::THOMPSON | | Tue Sep 05 1989 14:22 | 6 |
| I agree with Peter. This is the wrong forum for a discussion about EASE.
If you *need* software which is not included in EASE and cannot be installed on
a main cluster because of the impact it would have on other people then come
and talk to the ADG consultants about it. You may be better off running on a
microVAX or LAVC tailored to accomodate your layered product mix.
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