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Conference 44.370::system_management

Title:system management communications forum
Moderator:CHEST::THOMPSON
Created:Fri Mar 21 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jul 08 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:490
Total number of notes:2018

259.0. "Terminal/Keyboard Mismatch" by CRATE::BARKER (My Yacht runs on Lead-Free wind) Tue Jul 25 1989 12:48

    I have in my possesion, a terminal with a keyboard that doesn't
    match.
    
    The Terminal is a VT220 and needs a keyboard with the "(" & ")"
    characters above the 9 & 0 keys respectively, not above the 8 & 9,
    which is what it has at the moment, and with the ";" and ":" on
    the same key, next to the "L". A Word Processing type keyboard,
    i.e. one that has a Gold PF1 key, fits this bill.
    
    I don't think it's a set-up problem. I have tried changing languages
    and typewriter/data processing keypad switch.
    
    If anybody has a terminal with the opposite problem, or a spare
    WP keyboard, or knows how to get the terminal changed, could
    they please call me on 781-4360.               
    
    Thanks,
    
    Chris.
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259.1HEWIE::RUSSELLBX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh!Tue Jul 25 1989 13:3011
Chris,

I think you may have a "newer" keyboard than the VT220 understands.

What is the model number of the VT220? Is it one of the "later" ones
(i.e. VT220-D  or -E or -F)

Does the keyboard have the plastic "flip over" bit on top? If it doesn't
find a VT3xx with the old keyboard and swap them.

Peter.
259.2CRATE::BARKERMy Yacht runs on Lead-Free windTue Jul 25 1989 14:4026
> I think you may have a "newer" keyboard than the VT220 understands.
  
    I think its older. The newer terminals ( VT3xx etc ) have the 
    "(" & ")" above the 9 & 0, which is what the terminal thinks it wants.
    Incidentally, both the keyboard and the terminal are 'new'. i.e.
    clean, shiny etc.
    
>What is the model number of the VT220? Is it one of the "later" ones
>(i.e. VT220-D  or -E or -F)                                             
    
    Its was a VT220-F2, but there is a little sticker saying its been
    converted to an -F3 
    
    Whats the difference between a F2 and F3

>Does the keyboard have the plastic "flip over" bit on top? If it doesn't
>find a VT3xx with the old keyboard and swap them.
 
    No, it doesn't, however it has the same key layout as the ones that
    do.                                     
    
    What would the guy with the VT3xx think of that ??
    
    Any more ideas??                                  
    
    Chris
259.3HEWIE::RUSSELLBX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh!Tue Jul 25 1989 14:437
Yup,

the Vt220 is too old.

I'll pop round and wee what we can do!

Peter.
259.4Amazing discovery...CRATE::BARKERMy Yacht runs on Lead-Free windTue Jul 25 1989 16:5532
    Whilst trying to sort this out, I discovered the following.
    
    If you take an old VT2xx, with the keyboard set to 'English' and run
    your finger along the numbers, with the shift key down, you get this 
    
    		!"�$%&'()=
    
    If you then change it to 'North American' you get 
    
    		!@#$%^&*()
                                                                   
    As you can see, completely different.
    
    If you do this to my 'confused' VT220, or any VT3xx you get this for
    'English'
    
    		!@�$%^&*()
    
    Changing it to 'North American' gives the same, except with a #
    instead of the �.
    
    Fascinating eh?
    
    The keyboard I have conforms with the 'English' option on the 'Old'
    VT220, and the terminal software ( V2.3 ) conforms with either of
    the 'New' options.
    
    Does that help, or make it more confusing ?
    
    Chris.
259.5Ah ha! you;ve got a buggered VT220!HEWIE::RUSSELLBX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh!Wed Jul 26 1989 10:130
259.6I don't think so !CHEST::BARKERMy Yacht runs on Lead-Free windWed Jul 26 1989 14:4911
>                        -< Ah ha! you;ve got a buggered VT220! >-
 
    All the latest batch of VT220's ( there are quite a lot of these
    around the merchandising area ) behave in the same way.
    
    They are all model E2 or F2, converted to E3 or F3.
    
    The difference is, they all have matching keyboards.
    
    Chris
259.7HEWIE::RUSSELLBX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh!Wed Jul 26 1989 16:005
I came round to see you, but you weren't about.

However, I did spot the VT340 on your desk......

Peter!