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| 256.1 | Upgrade delayed until Tuesday... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Thu Jul 13 1989 15:33 | 5 |
| FUTURS will now be upgraded on Tuesday, 18th July, at 5:00 pm.
Pleae call me on x 4417 if this will cause you a problem....
Peter.
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| 256.2 | a layered product | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Tue Jul 18 1989 11:47 | 7 |
| >FUTURS will be shutting down at 5:00 pm on Thursday, 13th July, for
>a VMS V5.1-1 upgrade. No layered products will change during this
>upgrade. DECwindows will NOT be installed on FUTURS.
Plus ALL-IN-1 2.3?
Heather
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| 256.3 | It may be a layered product (as far as EASE is concerned), but | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Tue Jul 18 1989 12:09 | 11 |
| it's still "optional".
We don't have ALL-IN-1 installed on our development/support clusters,
so we won't be installing V2.3 on FUTURS.
Unless, of course, someone needs it, and can put forward a valid case!
The "offioial" I.S. version of ALL-IN-1 will be upgraded to V2.3 as part
of the Oct/Nov migrations.
Peter.
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| 256.4 | Opps, didn't realise there was more than one... | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Tue Jul 18 1989 13:41 | 7 |
| >We don't have ALL-IN-1 installed on our development/support clusters,
>so we won't be installing V2.3 on FUTURS.
Does this mean that products such as MRE, and applications such as OFMR have
separate development/support clusters?
Heather
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| 256.5 | re .4; Yup, seperate systems and microvaxen... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Tue Jul 18 1989 14:11 | 0 |
| 256.6 | IT IS ALREADY!!!! | CURRNT::DAW | VTX does it with pages !! | Tue Jul 18 1989 19:04 | 5 |
| As far a I can see, FUTURS is already running ALL-IN-1 2.3, at least
I hope so, cos I've been developing ACHE using it for nearly a month
now !
Wob
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| 256.7 | The current situation | CURRNT::GARLAND | Howard GARLAND @UCG, 781-4323 | Wed Jul 19 1989 09:59 | 16 |
| Just to clarify the ALL-IN-1 situation here in The Crescent...
We do have ALL-IN-1 installed on our normal development and support
clusters, and we do develop and support MRE on those clusters, as
well as separate microvaxen.
ALL-IN-1 BEV 2.1 is installed on the CURRNT and PASTIT clusters, and
ALL-IN-1 V2.3 is installed on the FUTURS cluster - purely for
application development purposes.
The SHAPES cluster (our production ALL-IN-1 machine which is used for
mail) should be upgraded to ALL-IN-1 V2.3 as part of the UK I.S. plan
later this year.
Howard
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| 256.8 | Oh well,... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Wed Jul 19 1989 12:39 | 6 |
| It just goes to prove I should check, rather than rely on my (flaky)
memory!!
And by the way, FUTURS is now running VMS V5.1-1.
Peter.
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| 256.9 | | SHAPES::ALFORDJ | Dragon Riders do it in between... | Wed Jul 19 1989 15:12 | 4 |
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> ...No layered products will change during this upgrade.
What's different in this release ?
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| 256.10 | Obviously a numbers game! | CURRNT::JENKINS_R | | Wed Jul 19 1989 18:17 | 1 |
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| 256.11 | Some details... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Thu Jul 20 1989 12:39 | 20 |
| VMS V5.1 briefly contains the following...
o support for VAX 6300 cpu's (HYPERION)
o DECwindows V1.0 bundled in
o bug fixes/patched for most of the V5.0 problems.
o minor enhancements to AUTOGEN.
Full details are in the release notes, which I have a copy of. The
location of the release notes has been circulated to my "EASE" list, so
you should know someone who can get them if you need them.
As you can tell, VMS V5.1-1 is a fairly minor release, and so there isn't
much to tell about it.
Peter.
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| 256.12 | Thanks | SHAPES::ALFORDJ | Dragon Riders do it in between... | Thu Jul 20 1989 12:53 | 0 |
| 256.13 | I never knew there was so little in it.... | CURRNT::JENKINS_R | | Thu Jul 20 1989 12:57 | 11 |
| RE .11
�As you can tell, VMS V5.1-1 is a fairly minor release, and so there isn't
�much to tell about it.
Seems true -
In which case we (Digital) would appear to be wasting an awfully large
amount of money producing EASE kits and distributing them throughout Europe?
Would it not be possible to use EASE kits only for MAJOR releases of VMS?
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| 256.14 | Rathole detection activated. | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Thu Jul 20 1989 13:23 | 13 |
| Well, Richard, if you preferred that we don't support 6300's internally,
I can give you a name to send the mail to!!
Seriously, this is not the correct forum to discuss EASE/Why do we upgrade/
is there a better way/why is this thing in it(or not).....
If you'd like some background to EASE, pleae pop round for a chat.
If you'd like some details on the next versions of EASE, these details
have been sent to the relevant people in each ADG area. Again, if you
need more, get back to me, but not in this forum....
Peter.
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| 256.15 | Yipppppppppeeeeeeeeeee | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Thu Jul 20 1989 13:47 | 13 |
| >VMS V5.1 briefly contains the following...
>o DECwindows V1.0 bundled in
Peter
This is contrary to your other note, but if DECwindows is going on FUTURES for
the V5.1 upgrade, then this has saved me an awful lot of heartache and support
problems.....................I'll come down and buy you a pint or six at your
local hostelry.
Where and when?
Heather
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| 256.16 | Well, it may be bundled in, | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Thu Jul 20 1989 15:46 | 21 |
| but that doesn't mean to say you can use it!
To clarify :
DECwindows is installed on FUTURS. However, we are not currently connecting
any workstations to it.
Since (today...), you need a workstation to use DECwindows, we aren't using
DECwindows on FUTURS. But we may, in the near future.
Is DECwindows a requirement for any applications today? The only one I
know of is TIMA, which is "outside" the "normal scope", and is not relevant to
ADG at UCG.
Heather, I don't understand the impact of DECwindows or not on FUTURS to you,
but I'll still take the free beer!
Why not call me on 781-4417 to discuss this further?
I don't understand what "the problem" is...
Peter.
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| 256.17 | as clear as mud? | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Thu Jul 20 1989 18:06 | 13 |
| >Heather, I don't understand the impact of DECwindows or not on FUTURS to you,
>but I'll still take the free beer!
The applications on CURRNT are our production systems now, the applications
on Futurs are our production systems shortly - the versions you run on
Futurs should match what we expect - or we could be in a sticky position!
>Why not call me on 781-4417 to discuss this further?
>I don't understand what "the problem" is...
Okay Dokay
Heather
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| 256.18 | | CURRNT::BADMAN | You're ugly, but you intrigue me! | Thu Jul 27 1989 11:46 | 8 |
| Heather,
In fact OFMR is developed on CURRNT, not FUTURS. Maybe you ought
to keep an eye on that cluster too!
Jamie.
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| 256.19 | Watch this spcae | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Thu Jul 27 1989 14:32 | 19 |
| Jamie,
I am interested in CURRNT too, IF the versions of layered products
change, because support for our applications is based on what's on
CURRNT.
I don't want to be in the situation which says:
Sorry UK, but we run ALL-IN-1 2.3 on CURRNT now, and can't reproduce
the problem you have, we've tried or best, but no support for this one.
I don't think this will happen because of the procedures around
upgrades, but recently I'm not sure how well these are known or
implemented, or if it's fully understood that changing this has a huge
impact on the ability of IS to support the internal and external
customer base.
Heather
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| 256.20 | Yet another one... | SHAPES::ALFORDJ | Dragon Riders do it in between... | Thu Jul 27 1989 15:14 | 6 |
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Heather,
Do you want things to get even more complicated ?
There's PASTIT as well - the Support Cluster !
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| 256.21 | Don't press THAT button! | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Thu Jul 27 1989 16:46 | 7 |
| > There's PASTIT as well - the Support Cluster !
I know, the only time I'm interested in this one is at the end of May
and the end of October, when some UK sites still have to upgrade to the
new versions of layered products, and so need support.
Heather - Who's not actually into microvaxs'..........yet!
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| 256.22 | Try this for simpllification... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | BX Turbo drivers do it with woooosh! | Thu Jul 27 1989 17:49 | 35 |
| Heather, it doesn't really matter to you (or the UK, or any sub) what
ADG runs on any clusters.
It so happens that at UCG (which is only one of several European ADG sites),
we run our our main clusters as follows:
FUTURS - is upgraded to the "next" environment betwwen two and three months
before the migration window opens.
CURRNT - is upgraded at the beginning of the migration window.
PASTIT - is upgraded at the end of the migration window.
This is a rough guide, and is subject to change.
The subsiduaries should conform to the EASE guidelines and timescales to
ensure they can recieve support at an AREA level at all times.
If the sub is conforming to area guidelines,then it's ADG's job to make sure
we have a system we can support you on, regardless of what ADG happens to be
running on it's own machines. Obviously, it's easier if we conform as well/
If a sub is outside of the area guidelines, then I guess area will do it's
best to help, but will be unable to commit to a high level of service and
response, simply because we may not have a suitable support environment
available. For example, this may mean that the sub cannot log a P1 or P2
hotline *at all*.
As always, it will depend on the situation, and I hope all parties would
"do the right thing."
So, Heather, providing you are installing EASE at the right time, then
you're OK for support, from UCG at least!
Peter.
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| 256.23 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh... again | BIGHUN::HARVEY | The Devon Dumpling | Fri Jul 28 1989 16:20 | 30 |
| Peter,
I understand the reasoning behind FUTURS, CURRNT and PASTIT.
I understand the EASE process, and how it is meant to work.
Yes, we use EASE.
I also know that sometimes communications may not be what they should
be, especially when processes change - this may leave us with a
mismatch in the countries and ADG.
An example of this was the proposed upgrade of PASTIT in mid-May.
The EASE upgrade window given to the countries was April and May
the upgrade kits were not available on time, and there were also
problems with EASE. This meant that a lot of upgrades were squeezed
in at the end of the upgrade period - end May, and we thought this
would be just fine, 'cause it fitted with our information.
Fortunately I could highlight this last communication problem before we
actualy had any problems coming from the countries,(217.xx)
and the upgrade on PASTIT was not carried out until later.
I only add my two-cents worth if I believe whats happening will
affect the UK, and dosn't match the information that I have - I would
like you to be able to support us as easily and effectively as possible,
it would make all our jobs EASEier (:-))
Heather
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