Conference 44.370::system_management

    OVERJOYED! - THANKS

    I have an objection.
    
    I'm out at another site from Friday until the end of next week,
    I tried to call you but nobody answers the phone.
    
    Steve Campbell (who has been told he's doing it without anyone
    checking his availability first!)
    

re .2;

Shucks, just because he isn't here he says he can't do it...

I dunno what the world is coming to...

Since Rob has waited three months already, I doubt if another few days will
make much difference!

Peter.	(who is definatley answering his phone!)

    ALL I can say is
    
    1. DEPTH training
    
    and
    
    2. Is Steve the only person down there who could do the installation?
    
    signed
    
    Impatient of A block.
    

    I don't think of myself as an impatient person (OK those that know
    me will realise that was a lie), but it's now been two working weeks
    since the request was made.
    
    Any comments anyone ?
    
    Rob

    Also, can we have the ONLINE fonts (for BOOKREADER) installed ?????
    
    	David

 There are no plans for installing DECwindows tools on any ADG main clusters
(yet) because they are reported to replace/patch software common to many other
applications. The advice coming from the people building the next EASE kit 
therefore is that we should not mix workstations with EASE systems for the time
being.

This is why all the VS2000's were built into the CUCKOO LAVC instead of the 
FUTURS/CURRNT/PASTIT clusters as was originally planned.

Once MIGS and the LAVC can be separated then I expect we'll be able to install
all kinds of wierd and wonderful DECwindowy kits for you Dave, but until then
your requests will have to wait. Please be patient, it takes a long time to grow
a new boot-server.

	What's the update on ADGDOC V2.0 ?  

	I am now needing the Quality Plan outline which is the new 
	feature of the release...

	Jane

Sorry, Jane, I should have posted thios earlier, but I've been a bit busy
sorting out VMS V5.1-1 upgrades...

ADGDOC V2.0 has been installed on PASTIT; we'll let you play with it for
a few days to make sure none of the existing stuff is "broken", then we'll
put it onto CURRNT and FUTURS.

Peter.

	Since I don't have an account on PASTIT it's not much good to 
	me there !

Sheesh!

You try to help, and they still complain!!

Seriosuly, I've spoken to Jane already and sorted this out.

Peter.		(now, where was that VMS V5.1-1 schedule   8o(

Rathole |_|

 V5.1? So soon? Is this going to be an EASE upgrade?

> There are no plans for installing DECwindows tools on any ADG main clusters
>(yet) because they are reported to replace/patch software common to many other
>applications. 

Could you tell me what is changed in VMS with DECwindows that will effect so 
much software that applications use?
What will be done between December and April to the applications that can't be
done between now and October?

I have spoken to engineering, and they have no idea how the changes could affect
applications.

I was under the impression that the changes were to DDIF, and CDA.
 
We have more and more workstations, especially for things such as DECwrite,
TIMA, and executive interfaces.

We need DECwindows on the machines so we can run the users' workstations in a 
secure manner, in line with the European workstation strategy, and also so we 
can show our customers how we use our own technology - Digital should be the
numer one exemplar account - EIS mission.

Heather

Heather,

VMS V5.1 does not have DECwindows "seamlessly" integrated with VMS, where 
VMS V5.2 does.

AREA IS were concerned that the *many*  modules replaced by DECwindows
may have an impact on our applications.

Further testing has been done, and this concern  has been removed.

However, EASE **at this time** is not addressing itself to DECwindows.
It will on "a future release" (almost certainly the next one, as DECwindows is 
fully part of VMS then.)

We can, and do, run workstations with DECwindows on our systems. It is 
installed on our FUTURS cluster, but at this time we are not
using it there, as we are switching most of them to DECwindows V2 FT
(which is still an un-announced product, so don't tell anyone external
anything about it!)

Peter.

>We can, and do, run workstations with DECwindows on our systems. 


	SHAPES?

Our users have their accounts on CHEFS and SUBURB, in addition to this being 
their office environment, they also run European systems such as ASSIST, AMIS
and local ones such as ACUMEN.
In the North region they also run such applications as CHAMP, AQS, LARS, and
a host of other European applications.

We need to boot them off these clusters, and be able to have the DDIF 
interface that comes with DECwindows, so they can all communicate.

These are NOT technical users.

We have to install DECwindows. 

On our own again?

Heather 

As you may remember from your days in ADG, Heather, this notes conference is
concerned with the system management of ADG systems only.

SHAPES is not an ADG system and controlling it's software configuration does
not fall within the province of ADG. The earlier references to the installation
of DECwindows were in respect of ADG systems only.

I suggest that you get in touch with either

		MURRAY SMITH @UCG

			or

		DENNIS SHILL @UCG

	if you are anxious to see DECwindows installed on SHAPES. I believe that
Murray is responsible for the day to day management of SHAPES, while Dennis is
more concerned with the planning aspects.

Steve

I've been looking for ADGDOC V2.0 on Futurs and I can't find it - is it there
or is it still to be installed? 

Gail

No, they are on strike and in a fit of total inconsistency installed it on
PASTIT !

    ADGDOC is installed on CURRNT:
    
    DISK$DATA1:[ADGDOC]ADGDOC_LOGIN.COM
    
    and PASTIT
    
    DISK$DATA4:[ADGDOC]ADGDOC_LOGIN.COM
    
    As far as I can see, it isn't installed on FUTURS.
    
    WOB
    

If you are referring to any version of ADGDOC....

of course it is installed on FUTURS.

    ADGDOC V2.1 has been released and includes an up-to-date template for
    the Design Specification.
    
    What are my chances of having V2.1 installed on either CURRNT or FUTURS
    in the near future ??
    
    Ciaran