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Conference 44.370::system_management

Title:system management communications forum
Moderator:CHEST::THOMPSON
Created:Fri Mar 21 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jul 08 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:490
Total number of notes:2018

250.0. "Document V1.1 problems" by SHAPES::ALFORDJ (Dragon Riders do it in between...) Wed Jun 07 1989 11:08

	I have found the following quirks with V1.1 Document :-
	(all the documents were compiled using the "Report" doctype)

	1.  The size of the print has changed (larger) this means that 
	    existing documents have to be re-worked to ensure sensible 
	    page breaks.

	2.  The tag combination of  <FIGURE> and <LINE_ART> no longer works
	    the <LINE_ART> tag has to have a minimum of the (KEEP) option, 
	    which used to be optional, and still is according to the 
	    documentation.

	3.  The figures in Postscript format are being positioned even 
	    further down the page than before, and rather than the new
	    release correcting the fault, it has made it much worse.

	4.  The final extension for postscript output has been changed from
	    .POST to .PS, which makes life confusing as the inclusion figure
	    files have the extension of .PS

	5.  A further line has been automatically included on the front page
	    layout "digital equipment corportation maynard, massachusets" this
	    causes existing front page layouts to wrap onto two.

	I do not think it is too unreasonable to expect that a document that 
	compiles clean under V1.0 should compile clean under V1.1 especially
	as none of these features are highlighted in the Release Notes, and
	point releases are *supposed* to be of minimal impact.

	Please can we have V1.0 back on CURRNT until we can have a version 
	of document that causes fewer problems, either that or put the 
	licence for the LN03 device conversion software onto the FUTURS 
	cluster.

	Jane.
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250.1LN03 FONT LICENSESCURRNT::DAWVTX does it with pages !!Thu Jun 08 1989 10:3914
    Some valid points Jane,
    
    I'd simply like to know what is the position regarding the license
    for LN03 fonts ?
    
    Is it true that the site has one license which allows for the fonts
    to be available from CURRNT, but not any other nodes ?

    What is the position regarding getting more licenses, perhaps ?
    
    Regards,
    
    Rob
    
250.2CRATE::JANJUADanish Janjua Thu Jun 08 1989 11:0048
>	1.  The size of the print has changed (larger) this means that 
>	    existing documents have to be re-worked to ensure sensible 
>	    page breaks.

    	This is documented in the release notes. It only affects the
        postscript output though to bring it into line with the LN03
        fonts, personally I prefer the new fonts.

>	2.  The tag combination of  <FIGURE> and <LINE_ART> no longer works
>	    the <LINE_ART> tag has to have a minimum of the (KEEP) option, 
>	    which used to be optional, and still is according to the 
>	    documentation.
    

    	    I've just compiled a document on CURRNT with this combination
            I've not had any errors generated, must be your figures ;-)

>	4.  The final extension for postscript output has been changed from
>	    .POST to .PS, which makes life confusing as the inclusion figure
>	    files have the extension of .PS
 
            I've seen this documented somewhere, perhaps in the document
            conference, surely its only an irritant at first and you'll
            soon get used to it ;-)
    	  
            P.S. V1.1 now supports /OUTPUT qualifier, you could always
                 use that to override e.g. /OUTPUT=JANE.POST
    
>	Please can we have V1.0 back on CURRNT until we can have a version 
>	of document that causes fewer problems, either that or put the 
>	licence for the LN03 device conversion software onto the FUTURS 
>	cluster.

        As I remember Document V1.1 contains many enhancements
        and I've seen a statement somewhere from the DOCUMENT group
        that says that some documents may need to be reworked or something.
    
        In summary you've got to live with the product as it is and
        its highly unlikely that the next release of DOCUMENT is going
        undo all their efforts just to please you. I say we keep V1.1
        CURRNT and also upgrade on FUTURS so that all documentation
        produced is consistant on this site.
    
    	There is something to be said for having a second LN03 license
    	on FUTURS though.
       

        Danish.
250.3more of the saga...SHAPES::ALFORDJDragon Riders do it in between...Thu Jun 08 1989 11:5453
>>	1.  The size of the print has changed (larger) this means that 
>>	    existing documents have to be re-worked to ensure sensible 
>>	    page breaks.

>        This is documented in the release notes. It only affects the
>        postscript output though to bring it into line with the LN03
>        fonts, personally I prefer the new fonts.

I'm sorry to dispute this statement but the font type when using the 
combination of REPORT Doctype and LN03 output has got much bigger, it used
to be the same size as the old LPS40 font.


>>	2.  The tag combination of  <FIGURE> and <LINE_ART> no longer works
>>	    the <LINE_ART> tag has to have a minimum of the (KEEP) option, 
>>	    which used to be optional, and still is according to the 
>>	    documentation.
    
>    	    I've just compiled a document on CURRNT with this combination
>            I've not had any errors generated, must be your figures ;-)

Nope, it's :-

<FIGURE>
<FIGURE_ATTRIBUTES>(WIDE)
<LINE_ART>

     lots of lovely text for several lines at least 80 characters wide...

<ENDLINE_ART>
<ENDFIGURE>

that doesn't work.  There was no problem with V1.0

>            P.S. V1.1 now supports /OUTPUT qualifier, you could always
>                 use that to override e.g. /OUTPUT=JANE.POST

Thanks for that tip.
    
>        In summary you've got to live with the product as it is and
>        its highly unlikely that the next release of DOCUMENT is going
>        undo all their efforts just to please you. I say we keep V1.1
>        CURRNT and also upgrade on FUTURS so that all documentation
>        produced is consistant on this site.

I haven't stated that I want the efforts undone, I like the idea of most of
the enhancements, it's just that I wish that so much of my time wasn't spent
compensating for enhancements that don't work properly !

The POSTSCRIPT handling of <FIGURE> screens is definitely unacceptable so it
would be VERY unwise to loose all versions of V1.0 available to us.
    
Jane.