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Conference 44.370::system_management

Title:	system management communications forum

Moderator:	CHEST::THOMPSON

Created:	Fri Mar 21 1986
Last Modified:	Thu Jul 08 1993
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	490
Total number of notes:	2018

235.0. "VMS V5 grizzle with new TPU" by CURRNT::ADDLETON (4 sale - old Galasphere, reg 347) Thu May 18 1989 13:34

Hmmm.... I have just discovered that the "bug" in TPU which allowed
CAPTIVE account users to SPAWN (yeah, ok I know it really was a bug),
has been fixed in VMS V5.0.

This may sound very innocent, but apparently a number of development
accounts (mine included) are CAPTIVE.  So now when I am editing, and
want to go and do something else, then come back to my edit later, I
can't do the old <DO>SPAWN.   

I'm reduced to the old EDT trick, of ^Y, SPAWN, work, LOGOUT, ^W - very
inelegant!

I don't suppose there is any chance of addressing this is there? - Do
development account really need to be CAPTIVE?

Cheers,

Glenn

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
235.2	Feature still there in other editors	CURRNT::OTTEN	Lead-Free and Ozone-Friendly	`Thu May 18 1989 13:46`	4
	The "Bug" still works in LSE, and ,I believe, EVE - even under V5 and V2.2 of TPU David
235.3	Sorry, NOT EVE.	CURRNT::OTTEN	Lead-Free and Ozone-Friendly	`Thu May 18 1989 13:48`	1

235.4		CURRNT::BADMAN	Nipple end in tears ...	`Thu May 18 1989 13:52`	10
	Unfortunately, LSE isn't always useful for some development ... Could someone who knows please explain why we have captive accounts on development machines ? I know it's a security standard; it's a standard which is, to say the least, questionable when applied to the development environment ... Jamie.
235.5	;-)	CURRNT::ADDLETON	4 sale - old Galasphere, reg 347	`Thu May 18 1989 14:50`	5
	> Could someone who knows please explain why we have captive accounts > on development machines ? I know it's a security standard; it's Maybe it's to stop people choosing not to run their own LOGIN.COMs ;-)
235.6		HEAD::EBDON	Reality's on the blink again.	`Thu May 18 1989 15:30`	7
	If you want your development account not to be captive, just ask. It worked for me. The purpose of the captive flag is to force the login procedure to be run. It is not the correct method for utilities to determine that they are in a "secure" environment. The bug is in programs like MAIL and NOTES that assume otherwise. Terry
235.7	Question the unquestionable	CURRNT::BADMAN	Nipple end in tears ...	`Mon May 22 1989 11:24`	9
	Cor! You're right! Captive flag removed without hesitation on request! I always thought it was one of those obscure security requirements. Question now is, why is it set at all when Development accounts are created ??? Jamie.