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Conference 44.370::system_management

Title:	system management communications forum

Moderator:	CHEST::THOMPSON

Created:	Fri Mar 21 1986
Last Modified:	Thu Jul 08 1993
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	490
Total number of notes:	2018

119.0. "Copying over DECNET with PMR" by CHEST::THOMPSON () Wed Feb 10 1988 16:40

    All VAX nodes on easynet should now be running SECURPACK, the DEC
    proscribed prophylactic for protection against hacking. One side
    effect of this package is that Poor Man's Routing (PMR) should no
    longer work.
    
    This means that whereas you could previously copy between nodes
    by daisy-chaining node names together (e.g. copy *.* FOOT::HAND::*.*)
    you should now get a Decnet error-in-node-name message. 
    
    Instead, you should be able to copy directly to the destination
    node name (e.g. copy *.* HAND::*.*).

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
119.1		CHEST::DAGLESS	VAXidermist :- Stuff the VAX	`Wed Feb 10 1988 17:26`	3
	Will we be getting up to date node databases on all machines. RDGE43 does not now that FOOT exists at the moment.
119.2	Different company ?	HEWIE::HAYWARD	Concerned of Tilehurst	`Thu Feb 11 1988 12:31`	8
	Re .0 Jerry, I thought we were Digital :-) Iain
119.3	I wanna be a Rich Man, not a Poor Man!	RDGE00::RUSSELL	I think, therefore IAM is OK by me.	`Thu Feb 11 1988 16:28`	22
	There is a potentially seroius problem with this. The Poorest men in the place, i.e. us cranky old cranky old PDP users with our Decnet Phase III software can only see, and be seen by, machines in the same area with a node number < 255. This means we cannot transfer any programs/objects/files from SEPTIC, for example, directly over to european machines. The reason we cannot do this is that the PDP's are using RMS V1.8; if our .OBJ files reside at any stage on a VMS system, they get RMS V3.0 attributes assigned. When the files eventually wend their way back to a PDP, it can't understand the new-fangled widgits. Hence the software won't build. We do have a workaround in place for the time being, but it's a bit late to discover that the PDP's are "locked out" of the network after this software is installed; surely we aren't the only people with this problem? Peter, Concerned of Acre Road.
119.4	Temporary(?) fixes	RDGE28::THOMPSON		`Fri Feb 19 1988 16:42`	11
	Re 199.1 - NetupdateV2 isn't very robust and will die in mid-update from time to time leaving nodes with less than perfect DECNET dbases. I've restarted it again on RDGE43 and CHEST, so the full Dbase should be there again tomorrow. Re 199.2 - ooops! Does anyone know what we're spozed to call DEC-Direct now? Re 199.3 - I've reinstated PMR on U28 so that our PDP's can see the rest of the PDP world (well, Europe anyway). I'll ask the SECURPACK authors if they know of another solution.
119.5	Let's install RSTS/E V9.5 instead...	RDGE00::RUSSELL	I think, therefore IAM is OK by me.	`Tue Feb 23 1988 15:11`	7
	Re .4 Why do we still need PMR on RDGE28? what, if anything, has happened with ADGV01? Peter.
119.6	You're OK, how am I?	FOOT::THOMPSON		`Tue Mar 01 1988 16:06`	8
	You need PMR on U28 because the PDP's run an old version of DECNET, where "old" is now tending towards "ancient". ADGV01 is fine, it's just that it won't converse with our PDP's any more i.e. the DMR's are working, the DMR cables are OK but links to the 4 PDP's cannot be started. TSC Basingstoke are still trying to find out why.