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Title:US_SALES_SERVICE
Notice:Please register in note 2; DVNs in note 31
Moderator:MCIS3::JDAIGNEAULT
Created:Thu May 16 1991
Last Modified:Tue Sep 03 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:226
Total number of notes:1486

138.0. "Competitive Migration Services" by TYFYS::DAVIDSON (Michael Davidson) Wed Jul 15 1992 18:03

                    ****** Urgent Announcement ******
                    *          from the             *
                    * Center for Migration Services *
              (Competitive Application Conversion Services)

      The Digital Services APS organization, of which the CMS is part, is
      giving serious consideration to dissolution of the CMS organization,
      possibly within the next few weeks.  It is not clear where you will
      go in the future for the specific services which the CMS has
      historically provided to field organizations.  If the decision to
      dissolve the CMS will materially affect your current or future
      business opportunities, please communicate your concerns to your
      Account Group Manager and/or Don Zereski.

      CMS Management
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138.1JMPSRV::MICKOLWe won with Xerox in '92Wed Jul 15 1992 21:025
Did the CMS group see much "action"? I haven't utilized CMS, but I was glad it 
existed and expected to make use of their services this year.

Jim

138.2TYFYS::DAVIDSONMichael DavidsonWed Jul 15 1992 22:3322
    With Sales focusing this year on sales to the existing customer base,
    we have seen little work this year.  We were place in the CIS EIC
    which is not the type of work we do so we do not fit in their type
    of business so we are expendable.  We did loose money this past year
    but that was based on lack of utilization by sales due to selling
    to existing customer base.  We have always broken even or lost a little
    due to the type of business we are in.  We are there to assist in the
    sell and get the customer in as a Digital customer.  We are not there
    to make a buck but to meet expenses.

    In these final days, we are hoping to be acquired by SALES as most
    of our work is pre-sales consulting and occasionally doing a conversion
    ourselves.  We have been in existance for 7 years and have experienced
    people in UNIX, IBM, HP, WANG, IBM Midrange, CDC, DG, UNISYS, you name it.
    The CIS EIC wants to make money on the ALPHA MIGRATION Program....
    VMS to OPEN/VMS or OSF1 not competitive conversions.  There is not
    enough money to fund a group for competitive conversions so.......TFSO....

    If we have assisted your organization in the past and you feel that
    we provide a useful service to the field, please let Don Zereski know
    this.
    
138.3A thoughtSUBVS3::SLATTERYThu Jul 16 1992 10:1044
It seems to me that this organization would be better off "spun
off" from Digital.

I have used them in the past (a small amount) and was impressed
with their capabilities.  It seemed to me that internal Digital
issues often got in the way of this organization really going
after business.  I believe they were "held back" and had to wait
for sales to come to them...I'd bet most sales people don't know
they exist.

So, here's my proposal...

This is quite presumptous of me.  Because I don't know any of the
individuals involved and don't know anything about the organization
I may be way off here.  I don't intend to offend anyone.  It just seems
to me that Digital throws lots of things away they may be salvagable.

If Digital sees fit to lay these people off Digital should...

1)  Give the individuals full use of all tools that they have
used in their current positions.  Digital obviously doesn't value
these tools as proprietary so why not give them away.  These people
may use these as private consultants or in a new corporation.

2)  Allow them a small amount of time (and Sales Update articles)
to sell themselves to Digital.

3)  If the group wants to form a new corporation...make it a CMP

My basic reasoning here is that this organization provides value...

Digital doesn't seem to be able to get enough benefit out of it...

The people who do this should be able to try to get benefit out of it
(and Digital also since the conversions they will do will go to
DEC gear) if they wish to.

This could unleash a lot of creative energy from these people.

The people involved could also put up half there TFSO money as "venture
capital" in the new enterprise...

Ken Slattery

138.4Going, Going, Going...GONE!TYFYS::DAVIDSONMigration ServicesTue Aug 25 1992 18:2526
      
      TO:  CMS Users                     DATE: August 25, 1992
                                         FROM: Larry Moore
                                               Center for Migration
                                               Services (CMS)
                                         EXT:  719-260-2020 / dtn 523-
                                         ENET: TYFYS::MOORE  

      SUBJECT:  The CMS is out of business

      At the request of our management in the Cross Industries EIC, the
      CMS has stopped taking on any new business.  We have been instructed
      to refer all requests for software conversion/migration assistance
      to Larry Pelavin @MKO (SOLVIT::PELAVIN) at dtn 264-6925.
      
      It is our understanding that the entire CMS team will be TFSO'd on
      Monday, August 31.  We have not yet been given a plan for transition
      of existing projects, but we will continue to work the issue and
      will notify affected account teams as soon as we know anything.
      
      If any of you find you have a need in the future for the kind of
      talent that has been available via the CMS, but on a contract basis,
      I'll be keeping track of the team for a while.  You can reach me at
      my home number, 719-687-3784, after next week.
      
      Best of luck to you all,
138.5TYFYS::DAVIDSONMigration ServicesThu Sep 03 1992 13:2738
        +---------------------------+TM
        |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
        | d | i | g | i | t | a | l |        INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUM
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                                       DATE: 9/2/92
           			       FROM: Larry Pelavin
        			       FUNC: Business Segment Manager	 
        			       DEPT: CIS  EIC EXT: 264-6925
        			       MAIL: MKO2-1/J12  SOLVIT::,@MKO
        
        SUBJECT: Callers to CMS        
        
        Digital Services is changing the way it deals with Migration 
        requests but is not changing its commitment to Account Teams 
        requiring Migration assistance.
        
             1. Migration services continue to be available and are
                being  delivered at other Digital locations; Please
                call 800-832-6277 for further assistance.
        
             2. ALL EXISTING CONTRACTS AND COMMITMENTS ARE BEING
                HONORED.  Please call 800-832-6277 for further
                assistance.

             3. All migrations requested by account teams will be 
                considered but resource scarcity and business
                considerations may  make some migrations more
                difficult for us to respond to than  others. Please
                call 800-832-6277 for further assistance.
        
             4. Please bear with us as we accomplish a difficult 
                transition. We appreciate that changes in the way
                things have  always been done is itself stressful and
                we are doing what we can  to be responsive.

138.6another resource for IBM midrange migration assistance...HILLST::MACKENZIEDTN: 297-7529, MRO3-3/G20Wed Sep 23 1992 12:1840
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                  Center for Migration Services Has Been TFSO'd

      The entire Center for Migration Services was TFSO'd this morning,
      Monday, September 14.  Our last day in the office will be Friday,
      September 18.

      Our support services and functions have been transitioned back east to
      other groups.  You can use the following telephone number to request
      migration assistance:

                                 (800)832-6277

      I am considering setting up an outside business to support IBM midrange
      to Digital migrations and to take over support for the VAXination
      Program.  I have proposed this idea to the Digital Services
      organization, specifically to Larry Pelavin and Ron Stokes.  I would
      call my company Migration Specialties, Incorporated (MSI) and would
      offer migration services similar to those offered under the VAXination
      Program (IBM System/36 and AS/400 migration assistance).  I will also
      offer general migration consulting services.  If you feel this would be
      of interest and that you would consider purchasing services from such
      an organization, please let me know.  This will influence my decision
      to form a company.

      If you need assistance with IBM midrange migrations, or general
      migration information after Friday, you can contact me at the following 
      address:

			Bruce Claremont
			496 Manchester Dr.
			Florissant, CO   80816

			(719)687-9196