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Conference ufhis::siemens_communication

Title:	Siemens Connectivity
Notice:	FTSIE Contact is Michael Eisenhut @MUC 865-1487
Moderator:	UFHIS::MEISENHU

Created:	Tue Aug 30 1988
Last Modified:	Mon Feb 19 1996
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	195
Total number of notes:	512

80.0. "mmc with a cp286 via net" by ISIDRO::LESTEBAN () Thu Nov 15 1990 20:58


I have been speaking today with a customer and SIEMENS for a VSH1 delivery 
arrangement and found some changes in the previous concept:


Instead of connecting 	Simatics, 
			CP535 and a 
			simple H1 network 

they want to
connect their VAXen net via a DEBET Bridge to a  

			MMC with a
			CP286
			and a H1 fiber optic net with a converter to coaxial
			Ethernet

As Siemens assures that the CP286 behaves the same as the CP535 I want to 
check if any of you know or have experience about it.


 Does any know about those Siemens cards and devices ?





The main reason for this comms is an already advanced project in which most 
of the definition of telegram or message exchange has been done.

The user dont know much about VOTS or OSI.


Regards   Luis Esteban EIS Spain

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
80.1	Perhaps DECosap?	EICMFG::KRIEGL	Georg, Eur. Manuf. ASSETS Library	`Mon Nov 19 1990 10:06`	5
	As written in the STD, VSH1 supports the Simatic S5-115U/135U/150U PLCs connected in a SINEC-H1 LAN via CP535 interface. To connect other type of Siemens equipment, please check if they can AP. If yes, you can talk to them via DECosap.
80.2	CP535, CP286, AP-protocol, DECosap ...	MUDIS3::RBOEDEKER		`Thu Nov 29 1990 11:42`	55
	The CP286 is a communication processor for MMC216 which handles layer 1 and layer 2 of the comm. protocol. Their is no official software from Siemens that supports the higher levels of the comm.protocol on the CP286. There is one Software-Product called COMNET for the CP286 for the higher protocol-levels, but this software is developed with the special scope for the paper industry. The CP535 is the good (?) old communication processor for the SIMATIC S5 and MMC216. It handles layer 1 to layer 4. Today the CP535 can be upgraded to CP143 to support layer 1 to layer 7 of the AP-protocol. But, as far as I know, the CP143 is not supported by MMC216 (only by SIMATIC). The AP-protocol is the strategic protocol (beside MMS) that is supported by SIEMENS. Digital now has DECosap/DEComni (as a Digital PRODUCT !) to support this protocol on several devices -- BUT -- there is no support for a comm. processor for MMC. The reason here is that the AP-protocol has to be done on the MMC216 in software. I am not sure if SIEMENS has an AP-protocol on the MMC216. Be careful when you talk to a Siemens guy about this subject because within SIEMENS some guys say AP-protocol when they think of CP535 with the interface that we can serve with VSH1. The official name "AP-protocol" identifies the Protocol layers 5 to 7. A question you can ask to test the understanding of AP-protocol of your counterpart is: "What kind of functions are supported by the AP- implementation, only the so called not open technological functions (that is SERIAL TRANSFER Service and TIME Service) or also the so called open technological functions like VARIABLE ACCESS Service and DOMAIN MANAGEMENT." If your counterpart has no idea about this, be sure you can not expect "real" AP functionality. And even if Siemens can support the AP-protocol on MMC216 it is not officially supported by DECosap (but it may work). (The software-implementation of the "AP not open technological funtions" for the CP535 on the SIMATIC -- called SINEC-AV -- is not supported but it works.) By the way, if your customer demands fiber-optic, this is independant from the decision for the CP. You can connect the CPxxx to SINEC-FO (fiber optic). Siemens delivers a transciever to SINEC-FO that is plug-compatible to a standard ethernet transceiver. Informations concerning DECosap: there is a notes-conference on CESARE::DECOSAP I hope this helps Regards, Ralf