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Conference ufhis::siemens_communication

Title:Siemens Connectivity
Notice:FTSIE Contact is Michael Eisenhut @MUC 865-1487
Moderator:UFHIS::MEISENHU
Created:Tue Aug 30 1988
Last Modified:Mon Feb 19 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:195
Total number of notes:512

71.0. "DS3100 <-> PC-MX 4" by MUDIS3::JONES (Absichtlich links unbeschrieben) Tue Aug 07 1990 12:32

Hi,

In the unit "private and public services" there are many dealings with German 
ministries. These ministries almost inevitably have Siemens computers scattered 
around the place. The VAX computers commonly being sold are RISC-Stations 
running ULTRIX. After speaking to Helmut Schimmel (LEG) I have discovered that
VAX FTSIE is being modified for ULTRIX and that they are at phase I with an
expected completion date around Q4 FY91.

In the meantime, we need an interim solution for communicating between 
DECstations and BS2000. After speaking to the customer I have discovered that
they have a PC-MX 4 connected to the BS2000 via PDN. Is it possible to connect 
the DS directly to the PC via TCP/IP? Please note that they are not connected to
an ethernet. I've drawn up a small configuration diagram to make the problem 
clearer:


+----------+		+----------+		+----------+	
|	   |  TCP/IP ?	|	   |    PDN	|          |
|  DS3100  +------------+  PC-MX 4 +------------+  BS2000  |
|	   |	^	|	   |		|          |
+----------+    |	+----------+		+----------+	
		|
		+------- Siemens refers to this as an "AFP-interface"


The PC-MX 4 architecture looks like this:


		+-----------------------------------------------+		
		|          					|
		|       	     PC-MX 4			|
		|          					|
		+-----------------------+-----------------------+	
		|          		|			|
		| I/O-Processor 	|	LAE 96530	|
= V11 -------->	| 8 x SS97         	|			|
		|          		|			|
		+-----------------------+----+------------+-----+	
					     |		  |          
					     |		  | V.24          
					     |		  |          
					+----+-----+ +----+-----+
					|          | |		|
					|   9749   | |    PC    |
					|	   | | "COMPAQ" |
					|          | |		|
					+----------+ +----------+


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71.1Not that far yetECCGY4::STROHMAIERThu Aug 09 1990 17:3111
    I don't want to put up any frustration - but status is that we are
    working on a contract with Siemens that allows us to develope a "DEC
    FTSIE" based on DECnet V/Ultrix. So - this product will depend on the
    availablility of DECnet V and the price Siemens is asking for.
    
    I'd wellcome any input on the portential business we can do in this
    area. It would also be important to find out if this would be an
    important product outside of Germany.
    
    Regards
    Elisabeth
71.2Re: 71.1MUDIS3::JONESAbsichtlich links unbeschriebenFri Aug 10 1990 10:5316
Hi Elisabeth,

1. As far as the business potential concerning RISC <-> BS2000 is concerned
   please contact the sales unit "�ffentliche Verwaltung". The unit manager is
   Karl-Heinz Klein @MFR and the sales rep I'm currently dealing with is 
   Hans-Peter Klein @MFR. This group has many dealings with German ministries. 
   I also feel certain that the GS-IGK can give you valuable input.

2. Nevertheless, in the meantime we're interested in hooking the DS3100 to a 
   PC-MX 4 via TCP/IP. There's a similar scenario at the planned new Munich 
   Airport, but this is currently at the tender (bid) stage. The sales person 
   responsible is Robert Heuss @MFR based in the unit "Handel und Dienst-
   leistung".

Regards
Mitch
71.3no easy solution possibleBIKINI::DITEPhaseV - Don&#039;t Worry! Be Happy...Fri Aug 17 1990 13:3141
>In the meantime, we need an interim solution for communicating between 
>DECstations and BS2000. 

Yes but only over LAN with TCP/IP(see reasons below) with the restrictions
listed in the other notes in this notes conference pertaining to the Internet
applications. This also requires the BS2000 to have a 9632(?) channel adaptor -
a costly piece of hardware (DM 40,000.-) 

>Is it possible to connect the DS directly to the PC via TCP/IP? 

Only on a LAN basis. Siemens has no WAN TCP-IP boards at the present time.

>
>+----------+            +----------+            +----------+    
>|          |  TCP/IP ?  |          |    PDN     |          |
>|  DS3100  +------------+  PC-MX 4 +------------+  BS2000  |
>|          |    ^       |          |            |          |
>+----------+    |       +----------+            +----------+    
>                |
>                +------- Siemens refers to this as an "AFP-interface"
>
>

Siemens uses a PC-MX4 to provide the WAN connectivity using their Siemens
specific NEA protocols. 

What kind of communication requirements exist for these DS's - Terminal 
Emulation, File Transfer, etc ...?

What kind of communication access is required - DS <=> BS2000 and DS=> ???.

If you can restrict the above you may avoid having to:

	1. implement NEA protocols
	2. wait for Phase V and Siemens to announce and implement the equivalent

In the short term it seems you cannot offer a total solution.

Hope this helps a bit.

John
71.4Worth to find out...MUNLEG::TUSCHEKFTSIE ties ASCII &amp; EBCDIC worldsMon Aug 20 1990 12:46108
Maybe this is a way  to communicate between 


            DS3100 <-> PC-MX4 <-> BS2000 

On ULTRIX V4.0 there's a file called /etc/sliphosts which gives hints how run
INTERNET protocol (and the  upper guys as TCP..) over async line which
is built into each DS/VS.

I didnt tried out how it performs. It is said that it's not very speedy, but
better slow than nothing. 

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The criteria is whether SINIX provides a similar capability for the MX's.
Who has some channel to SINIX comm guru/knowledge to find out? If they offer
async Internet, it would be worth to test connectivity  DS<->MX over this.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

If it would work, there would be the possibility to run the MX as a Internet 
routing Gateway if thers also a Internet link between MX and BS2000. 
(TCP should be available as 3rd party implementation on BS2000).

If thers no Internet on BS2000 side, file transfer has to be done in a two
stage process: DS<->MX and MX<->BS2000. (Maybe with some remote shell script)

The DS<->MX could also be realized over uucp link which resembles FT over 
async lines. I think  nearly every U*X OS supports it; but dont know
exactly status of SINIX implementation.
 
  Andreas

Appended is the file /etc/sliphosts for easy reference :

#	@(#)sliphosts	2.2 (ULTRIX) 4/12/89
#
# /etc/sliphosts contains information about Serial Line Internet Protocol 
# hosts. Hosts come in numerous types but all are considered masters
# or slaves depending on what is present in this file. Masters 
# initiate the connection as:
# 
#	/usr/new/slattach host
#
# where host is the name to search for in /etc/hosts (the destination
# found is eventually passed to an /etc/ifconfig). 
# Slaves use /usr/new/slattach as their login shell (shell field of /etc/passwd)
# and the login name is matched against the host field below.
#
# Slip requires a special line discipline in the kernel. To build
# slip into a binary system, add the line "pseudo-device  sl" to your
# configuration file, remove your machine directory, and rebuild
# the kernel (config MACHINE; make depend; make vmunix). 
#
# The fields describing each connection are:
#
# host destination gateway netmask speed tty modemtype phonenum logininfo
# 
# Host is used to match the entry in this file.
#
# Destination is used an argument to ifconfig
#
# Gateway is usually the hostname of the system although it may be 
# changed for specific routing cases. 
#
# Netmask depends on your network and is passed to
# /etc/ifconfig. Speed is the speed at which the connection is to be
# run (this may be "any" for slaves and the speed of the line will
# not be modified). 
#
# The device is the line to use for this connection
# (for masters this is the outgoing line to use and for slave /dev/tty
# is usually specified). 
#
# Modemtype is specified as the type of modem
# to use (name must match an entry in /etc/acucap or "hw" for hardwired
# connections - Master only). 
#
# Phonenum is present if modemtype is not "hw" 
# and is the phone number to use (Master only). 
#
# Logininfo is UUCP like info 
# needed to negotiate the SLIP login at the remote host (Master only).
#
# Thus a sample Master might be:
#
# decvax decvax.dec.com test.fun netmask 19200 /dev/ttyd0 hayes-V 5-5555 ogin: Stest ssword: guess 
#
# (Notice "decvax.dec.com", "test.fun", "netmask" must be found in /etc/hosts,
# /etc/networks or resolved by a name server as these are passed 
# to /etc/ifconfig).
#
#
# Master dec7 calling (on a hardwired line) slave cyclops:
#
cyclops	cyclops dec7.dec.com	255.255.255.0	19200	/dev/tty01 hw "" \r\c ogin: dec7 ssword: dec7
#
# What slave cyclops would have in its /etc/sliphosts file to allow the
# connection. In addition, the dec7 would need to be present in the
# password file with the shell set to "/usr/new/slattach"
#
dec7	dec7.dec.com cyclops	255.255.255.0	any	/dev/tty
#
# What Master dec7 calling (on a hayes 9600 baud modem) slave cyclops:
#
cyclops cyclops dec7.dec.com	255.255.255.0	19200 	/dev/ttyd0 hayes-V 10329 "" \r\c ogin: dec7 ssword: dec7