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Conference ufhis::siemens_communication

Title:Siemens Connectivity
Notice:FTSIE Contact is Michael Eisenhut @MUC 865-1487
Moderator:UFHIS::MEISENHU
Created:Tue Aug 30 1988
Last Modified:Mon Feb 19 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:195
Total number of notes:512

70.0. "FT-MSP ????" by ANNECY::MARTINEZ () Tue Jul 17 1990 17:04

Hi,

Could somebody help me answering the following questions:

1)I am rigth in thinking that FT-MSP is a Siemens protocol

2)What is FT-MSP is (a file transfert I suppose), 
  where is it used, could it be (or has it been) implemented on a 
  VAX machine ?

3)Does (or could) FT-MSP have any relation with FTSIE ?

A last question, in the Siemens world does DCP means something particular
or is it a generic term for some communication machine ?

Thanks in advance.

Jean.
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70.1Yes - its the file transfer for a 7.800MUNICH::KLOEPPERVera Kloepper/Net&Comms-SupportTue Jul 17 1990 17:4518
    
    Hi,
    
    Yes - you are right - FT-MSP is a Siemens-Protocol and it is the
    same (hopefully) which is used by FTSIE , FT-BS2000 .... but this
    is a product for the layer 5 to 7 it didn't define the underlying
    network.
    
    MSP is the operating-system for the 7.800 Hardware, which is from
    Fuijitsu and IBM kompatible.
    
    This system is running SNA for communication - but I didn't know
    if we can interwork with the "Siemens"SNA.
    As I know that system isn't able to run OSI communication which is
    needed to use FTSIE.
    
    regards  Vera
70.2I think we can do itECCGY4::STROHMAIERWed Jul 18 1990 14:436
    I think we even made tests with this system - I forwarded the note to
    Helmut Schimmel (if this is the right system we made the tests via
    X.25)
    
    Regards
    Elisabeth
70.3Should work!!!MUNTRA::SCHIMMELThe Answer Is 42Wed Jul 18 1990 19:208
Hello,

the connectivity between FT-MSP and VAX FTSIE has been successfully tested
via X.25 by "CGK Computer Gesellschaft Konstanz mbH".
CGK used a IBM 4381 running MVS/XA and FT-MSP V2.0A. 

Regards 
   Helmut
70.4FT-MSP - SDLC - FTSIE ???ECCGY4::STROHMAIERFri Jul 20 1990 15:4750
This is what Jean wants to do - anybody any idea?
    
    
EXISTING CONFIGURATION
-----------------------


  +----------------+                                        +------------+
  |A siemens       |     SDLC link (I suppose with SNA)     | IBM host   |
  |machine (type ?)|----------------------------------------|            |
  |   FT-MSP       |                                        |            |  
  +----------------+                                        +------------+

(According to customer no X25 
 is available)

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO
------------------------


  +----------------+                                        +------------+
  |A siemens       |     SDLC link (I suppose with SNA)     | VAX        |
  |machine (type ?)|----------------------------------------| with some  |
  |   FT-MSP       |                                        | variation  |  
  +----------------+                                        |of FTSIE    |  
                                                            +------------+


So I suppose that this will imply that you could "plug" the file transfert
part of FTSIE over VMS/SNA, am I right ?

If yes then the following question rise up:

- Would it be possible ? (or does it exist ?)

- Would you be interested in doing it on a project base if we fund you 
  with some part of the needed money ?

- How much will it cost us ?

- How long will it take ?

Looking forward to reading your answer, best regards.

Jean.

PS: In case you are interested by WHY, for Whom and so on I could forward
    you the report (resulting from a customer visit) on which I have been 
    requested to work.
70.5What can be done ...MUNTRA::SCHIMMELThe Answer Is 42Mon Jul 23 1990 11:2657
From:	MUNLEG::TUSCHEK      "Andreas LEG @UNT Ext.1309" 23-JUL-1990 10:04:40.69
To:	SCHIMMEL
CC:	TUSCHEK
Subj:	Response: FTSIE<->FTMSP over SDLC


 Response  to  FTSIE and FT-MSP over SDLC links



 What could be done:

 1) (a little bit unrealistic)

    FTSIE uses VOTS TP4[2,0] as the entrypoint to communications.
    VOTS itself provides links over IEEE 802.3 LAN or alternatively
    X25 (PSI). As far as I know the VAX/SNA gateway resembles roughly
    the functionality of PSI, BUT VOTS does not offer links based on 
    the SNA protocol stack nor bare  SDLC links.
    --> Request to VOTS engineering to provide something like this.

 2) (also a little bit unrealistic)
    FTSIE engineering implements an alternastive entrypoint to the SNA/GW
    interface but this means we would  have to implement OSI TP on top of
    SNA/GW by ourself. Because FTMSP uses also the OSI TP layer.         
    --> Cost use several manyears of OSI protocol wizards

 3) If the customer goes local, he should use X25 with a NULLmodem box.
    Works!

 
 4) If he goes wide area over leased line subnetwork, it might be possible
    to operate similar as a nullmodem but with real modems. 
    In this case all part of X25 concerned with interfacing to the PSN
    could be ignored or directly forwarded to the counterpart modem, 
    respectively.
    Im not a modem/datalink specialist, so the feasability of this aspect has
    to be verified by a dedicated specialist!!

 5) Wait for DECnet Phase V.
    In Ph V OSI TP4 will offered as a layer 4 choice together with old NSP.
    This can run over HDLC datalink. (Some variation of SDLC??)
    We have plans to port VMS-FTSIE to the  Ph V environment when it comes 
    up. (1991?)

   
      
 Summary:  With current technology, approach  # 3 and 4  provide the most
           realistic chance to get it run.
           (We already run tests with FT-MSP under MVS successfully over 
            DATEX-P PSDN)     

              
 Andreas Tuschek