Conference ufhis::siemens_communication

    
Ciao Angelo,

>My name is Angelo Benvenuto and I work in SWAS in Genoa Italy, I'm involved 
>with a customer (a big technical OEM) that is building a lan connecting 
>VAXes, PCs, and a SIEMENS 7500 (BS200).

What applications does the customer intend to run over network, File-Transfer,
Terminal emulations or task-task?

If they are TCP/IP based see restrictions listed in Note 32.

>When we discussed it with customer he expressed doubts about the Transadata 
>9688 and about the existence of TCP/IP software for SIEMENS.

Your customer is right. There is as yet no LAN connections for Siemens
Terminal computers/Routers/Front-end-processors of the type 96%%.

>      +------------------+ 
>      |   SIEMENS 7500   |
>      |                  |
>      |------------------|
>      |   9632 (?)       |
>      +------------------+
>              |
>              |                             
>          +------------+                    +----------+
>          |FT-BS2000-S |--------------------|  PC      |
>          |   (?)      |--------+           +----------+      +------------+
>          +------------+        |                             |            |
>                                |          +-----------+      |  VAX       |
>                                +----------| PC  SINIX |      +------------+
>                                           +-----------+             |
>                                                 |                   |
>           ===================================================================
>                     ethernet

The picture is a bit confusing as the LAN adapter 9632 is connected directly
to the 802.3 LAN. FT-BS2000-S is a File Transfer application running over 
Siemens (NEA) protocols and over OSI(Transport) to our VAX/FTSIE product
and certainly not over TCP/IP and should not be represented as a box in the
picture above.

>We ask for your help in order to determine:
>if our solution is feasible
>if TCP/IP software for Siemens exists and which is its name and distributor
>which hardware/software Siemens components are required in order to build it

If you give us more details what you want to do it would be easier to give you 
a concrete answer. I'd be very happy to come and visit Genoa in Bella Italia
in the next few weeks especially if you have any spare tickets for you know
what.

Hope that helps.

Ciao 
John
    

    
Hi,

>What applications does the customer intend to run over network, File-Transfer,
>Terminal emulations or task-task?

Customer intends to run file-transfer and terminal emulation:
terminal emulation is required for PC and VAX, file transfer is required for 
vax (but it should be a plus if it were possible for PC too).
Now there is no comunication between VAX , Siemens and PC; (only ASCII file are 
transported via tape). We are trying to build a solution and to indentifying 
required products.

>If they are TCP/IP based see restrictions listed in Note 32.

I read that TELNET, FTP, SMTP, NFS and TFTP are supported; that should be more 
than the necessary...

>The picture is a bit confusing as the LAN adapter 9632 is connected directly
>to the 802.3 LAN. FT-BS2000-S is a File Transfer application running over 
>Siemens (NEA) protocols and over OSI(Transport) to our VAX/FTSIE product
>and certainly not over TCP/IP and should not be represented as a box in the
>picture above.

I draw the figure trying to remember the thing we discussed about with customer
and i surely made mistakes.
What i remember (and what we want to avoid if possible) is that in Siemens 
local office's solution, PC have to be connected to a particular device (and
not directly to ethernet) in order to talk with 7500.

>If you give us more details what you want to do it would be easier to give you 
>a concrete answer. I'd be very happy to come and visit Genoa in Bella Italia
>in the next few weeks especially if you have any spare tickets for you know
>what.

We want to offer a solution in which all nodes (PC, VAX and Siemens) are 
connected to the same bus (ethernet) and perform file transfer and terminal 
emulation operation.
We now that DECNET PCSA allow these operations between VAX and PC;
we are loking for something that allows file transfer and terminal emulation 
between Siemens and VAX and between Siemens and PC using ethernet as 
transmissive way.

    
I hope this is more clear 
(I haven't ticket yet i'm looking for them but i think i have very few 
possibilities to get them)

	Angelo

Ciao Angelo,

	what is still not clear to me is what kind of PC's the customer is 
using. Are they Siemens PC-MX/PC-MX2 (Unix based) or are they PC-D/PC-D2 
(MS-DOS based)?

Assuming that they are, I will try to illustrate the possible connectivity
that is available: (in brackets the products required on VAX/VMS)

BS2000
======
FT=> PC-MX*,PC-D= FT-BS2000
FT=> PC-MX*	= FTP
FT=> PC-MX*	= FTAM 
FT=> VMS	= FT-BS2000 (VAX/FTSIE) 
		= FTAM	(VAX/FTAM) 
		= FTP (Ultrix Connection)
TE=> PC-MX*/VMS	= TELNET (Ultrix Connection)

			PC-MX*
---------		=======
|	|		FT=> BS2000,PC-D= FT-SINIX 				
|	|		FT=> BS2000	= FTAM
| BS2000|		FT=> VMS	= FT-SINIX (VAX/FTSIE) not supported
|	|				= FTP (Ultrix Connection)
|	|				= FTAM (VAX/FTAM)
|	|		TE=> BS2000	= EMDS9750 / TELNET
---------		TE=> VMS	= TELNET (Ultrix Connection)
    |			---------		
    |			| 	|		
---------		| PC-MX*|		
| 9632	| LAN channel	|	|		
|	| adapter	---------		
---------		    |			    
    |			    |			    			802.3
|============================================================================|
	    |					    |
	---------				---------	
	|	|				|	|
	| PC-D	|				| VAX   |
	|	|				|	|
	---------				---------
		
PC-D2/3	
=======
FT=> BS2000,PC-MX* = FT-DOS
FT=> VMS	   = FT-DOS (VAX/FTSIE) not supported
TE=> BS2000	   = EMDS9750 

				VAX/VMS
				=======
				FT=> BS2000	   = FT-BS2000 (VAX/FTSIE)
				FT=> PC-MX*,PC-D   = FT-BS2000 (VAX/FTSIE) 
						     not supported
				FT=> BS2000,PC-MX* = FTAM (VAX/FTAM)
				FT=> BS2000,PC-MX* = FTP (Ultrix Connection)
				TE=> BS2000	   = 9750 / MEPOSI (3rd Party)
				TE=> BS2000,PC-MX* = TELNET (Ultrix Connection)


I hope that gives you an overview. If I have missed anything out I'd be grateful
for anybody out there completing/correcting the picture.

I'm still not sure from your answer which direction most of the FT or TE
traffic will be oriented towards. However assuming that it's a Siemens TRANSDATA
network then most of the traffic would initally be the directed towards
applications  residing on the BS2000 host. If that's the case, then the
products to consider more closely are VAX/FTSIE / VAX/FTAM for FT and
MEPOSI (3rd Party Product) for TE. Remember that VAX/FTSIE is a 'german'
product and that you would have to discuss any issues regarding
use of the product in Italy with Product Management (Anne Hennies @FRO
DTN 764-3205).

Hope that helps.

Bona Fortuna.

John

Hi John,
I'm writing to you after seeing your note on the Siemens note file about
LAN connectivity, very clear indeed.
The only thing I need now is where to buy/try both FT-DOS and EMDS9750
for an MS/DOS compatible PC.
The customer has several Taiwan clones connected already to a uVax2000
thru PCSA and he'ld like to use them also as Siemens terminals as well as
Autocad stations.

I'ld like to know the company name, contacts, prices and eventually if they
have any distributor over here in Italy.

Regards

Joe