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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

408.0. "System suggestions, please" by UPROAR::GUNNS (Biodegradable and ozone friendly) Thu Apr 01 1993 16:00

    My system recently got nicked. Well most of it anyway.

    Before the unhappy event, the main elements consisted of:-

                Old Technics multi-bit CD player
                Musical Fidelity A100 amp
                Rogers LS4a speakers
                Dual turntable

For some reason,  my speakers and turntable were not taken (they must have been
feeling generous!) so my replacement stuff will be based around these.

From reading reviews etc I have shorlisted the following items to
audition:-

                Marantz CD52 Mk2
                Marantz CD52 Mk2 SE
                Arcam Alpha Plus

                Audiolab 8000a Mk2
                Pioneer A400
                Musical Fidelity A120
                AMC 3030 (? solid state / tube hybrid)

My main constraint is that I must have a headphone facility, either from
the amp or direct from the CD player (I'm not too worried not having headphone 
facilities for vinyl).

Can anyone comment on the suitability of these components with the LS4a's? Any 
suggestions of alternatives and additional bits to audition? Budget = 1000 GBP 
apprx. Can anyone suggest a decent cassette deck for about 200 GBP? Any 
suggestions on speaker cables and interconnects (might as well do a full job 
while I'm at it)?

Thanks

Steve

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408.1my 10p worthLARVAE::IVES_JOne i-node short of a file systemFri Apr 02 1993 11:1517
    The AURA VA100 evolution is supposed to be a good amp. Also the Musical
    Fidelity pre-amp/typhoon combination.
    
    the AMC is a tube/fet hybrid. Supposed to be good , my only concern
    would be tube replacement. On most amps this is a process you undergo
    every , say, three years and is about as complex as changing a
    lightbulb. However the AMC has valves directly soldered onto plug
    replaceable boards internally. These have to be ordered from AMC.
    
    My concern would be that if AMC were to go belly-up then replacing
    tubes would be difficult, unless you're good with a soldering iron.
    
    I noticed in HFN&RR that Glen Croft has a tube integrated amp for
    around #600, which might be an alternative.
    
    I would also include both amp and CD player from Sugden, which I have
    heard and sound very good indeed.
408.2I'll spend your grand for you....;-)BAHTAT::SALLITTDave @LZO 845-2374Fri Apr 02 1993 13:0430
    re .0....
    
    Well, they'll all *work* with LS4s in that electronic compatibility
    isn't an issue. Whether you'll enjoy the result is different; your best
    bet is to find a dealer who will let you audition a range of amps and
    CD players within your budget using your LS4s.
    
    As well as the Sugden mentioned in .1, I would also suggest the Rotel
    in the same bracket is worth considering. Amp-wise, you're spoilt for
    choice; don't forget the Arcam models, they've reviewed very well.
    Cassette-wise, Sony, Denon, Pioneer and Technics all have well-regarded
    models under 100 pounds.
    
    Beware, though, of building such a huge list that it just confuses.
    Even if you could audition everything in one place it wouldn't make
    anything more clear. At the risk of being a boring old fart (again),
    you should start by finding a sympathetic dealer who carries a
    reasonable range and is prepared to help you make an informed choice,
    no matter how many visits you make. It won't cost you any more, and
    you'll end up with a system that will give you years of pleasure -
    which is the whole point of the exercise.
    
    As far as cables/interconnects go, the bread-and-butter items sold with
    most products can be improved on without too much extra outlay, but I
    would suggest you avoid expensive esoteric cables. Personally, I
    wouldn't spend more than 30 pounds for a terminated stereo metre of
    interconnect, or 2 pounds per stereo metre of speaker cable. Your
    mileage may differ..
    
    Dave
408.3MF views?UPROAR::GUNNSBiodegradable and ozone friendlyThu Apr 22 1993 18:3913
    Well, I've not started auditioning yet (haven't had a chance to fit my
    burglar alarm yet), but I'm interested in whether anyone has any
    practical experience of the Musical Fidelity Preamp/Typhoon mentioned
    in .1. I've read a couple of reviews which mention that they have an
    "up front" character and are generally very good, and thought they might
    make good partners for the LS4a's.
    
    I gather that the Preamp doesn't have a phono stage, but that MF do a
    similar model called Rainbow (Der de Der de Der Derde Der Der ;-))
    which does have one; any comments?
    
    I know the real proof is in the listening, but if anyone knows that
    they aren't worth trying, it will at least save the search for an MF dealer.
408.4Musical Fidelity : worth findingLARVAE::IVES_JOne i-node short of a file systemFri Apr 23 1993 10:3615
    I think the RAINBOW IS the Pre-amp but with an additional phonoi board.
    
    I've not heard this combination but from what I can recall Musical
    Fidelity products tend to have a distinct house-sound. The Guy
    Michaelson who runs/owns the company is a nut for female vocalists
    (classical/Jazz) and all the products tend to have a fairly warm
    mid-range. This is true of the A series as well as the B1 from what I
    can recall, even through to the CDT 'tube' CD player. The main
    criticism of them was they could be a bit wolly in the bass, which IMHO
    is no big deal.
    
    I would definitely seak them out as I personally have always liked the
    sound they produce. This combination got a good review in HFN&RR some
    months back, and I think you can upgrade with an extra typhoon + a
    special cable for bi-amping.
408.5KERNEL::MCGOWANFri Apr 23 1993 13:559
    I think HiFi Choice said something along the lines of fairly good with
    one typhoon, but compressed and indistinct soundstage. Very good with 
    2 typhoons, with very much wider soundstage. Their conclusion was 
    definitely worth the extra �300 to get the second typhoon.
    
    They gave it a 'recommended' based on the second typhoon.
    I can copy the report and mail it to you if you're interested.
    
    Pete
408.6Yes pleaseUPROAR::GUNNSBiodegradable and ozone friendlyMon Apr 26 1993 15:353
    Thanks for the offer, Pete. I'd appreciate that.
    
    Internal mailstop is Steve Gunn @ IME , SEG , E-G4.