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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

365.0. "" by IOSG::HORSFIELD (Service solicitation request timeout) Wed Jul 22 1992 09:28

	just finished upgrading...
	
		
	CD		Linn Karik + Numerik
	
	preamp		Linn Kairn
	
	amp		Linn LK280 + Spark
	
	speakers	passive Linn Isobarik with Linn K400 cables
	
	turntable	Rega Planar 3 + Rega Elys cartridge
	
	tuner		Denon TU-560L

	cassette	Denon DRM-33 (?)
	
	preamp also feeds Denon PMA 900V that then drives Wharfdale
	Denton 2XP in the kitchen. some measure of remote control
	using Powermid.
	
	TV and video also plugged into hifi.
	
	jack 
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365.1Tell me more....BAHTAT::SALLITTa legend in his lunchtimeFri Jul 24 1992 11:4720
    Jack,
    
    I too have a Kairn and have been considering feeding it to a remote
    amp/speakers in the kitchen. Also like you, I have the TV and video
    plugged into the hifi. Some questions, if you don't mind.....
    
    1. Which Kairn output do you use? I considered using one of the line
    outputs, but that would lose the independence of source selection
    between rooms (the person in the kitchen has to listen to the same
    source as whoever is in the main room, who may not want the hifi on at
    all). Also it means the remote sound level is dependent on the Kairn's 
    volume setting as well as the remote amp's.
    
    2. How do you achieve the limited remote control and what is a
    "Powermid"?
    
    Good hifi is expensive and it seems a shame to only get the benefit in
    one room.
    
    Dave
365.2IOSG::HORSFIELDThe Author asserts the moral right to be indentified as the author of this workFri Jul 24 1992 12:3152
>    I too have a Kairn and have been considering feeding it to a remote
>    amp/speakers in the kitchen.

	well, the second speakers are remote, but the second amp is
	with the rest of the hi-fi

>    1. Which Kairn output do you use? I considered using one of the line
>    outputs, but that would lose the independence of source selection
>    between rooms (the person in the kitchen has to listen to the same
>    source as whoever is in the main room, who may not want the hifi on at
>    all). Also it means the remote sound level is dependent on the Kairn's 
>    volume setting as well as the remote amp's.
	
	the second amp receives a recording signal from the Kairn.
	the amp is pretending to be a tape deck.

	this means that i can have different sound in lounge and
	kitchen, because the Kairn lets you listen to one source
	(lounge) and record another (kitchen).

	it also means that the volume in the kitchen is controlled
	only by the second amp.

	the signal to the second amp happens to go in to the tuner
	socket, but that's merely because it amp always powers up
	with the tuner as the default source.

	(the real setup is a bit more complicated, 'cos there is a
	QED switching box between the Kairn and the second amp. i
	think that's because there was some limitation to the number
	of sockets i had on the old LK1.)

>    
>    2. How do you achieve the limited remote control and what is a
>    "Powermid"?

	a Powermid is 2 small pyramids, each connected to the mains.
	the first pyramid picks up the signal from any remote
	control, converts it to radio, and retransmits it to the
	second pyramid. the second pyramid. converts the signal back
	to infrared and broadcasts it into the room.
	
	thus, in the kitchen, i can use any remote control that i
	could use in the lounge. it's handy that i got one Linn
	remote control with the Kairn and another one with the
	Karik...one for each room :)
	
	i can swap from one source to another in the kitchen, but i
	can't change the volume.

		
	jack 
365.3sounds easy...BAHTAT::SALLITTa legend in his lunchtimeFri Jul 24 1992 13:2513
    Ah yes, the second tape output. I use that for my headphone amp, but I
    could feed from there to an integrated amp.
    
    Provided I site the Powermid receiver appropriately, I should be able to
    drive my Micromega Optic with it too.
    
    Where did you get the Powermid, and how much did it cost?
    
    Although there are probably lots of Karik/Numerik owners now, you are
    the first person I've "spoken to" who has actually bought one; how do
    you rate it?
    
    Dave
365.4Not-at-all-biasedFUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonFri Jul 24 1992 14:0211
    You can get thee Powermid from most Sat-TV shops.
    
    I got mine mailorder from Cheshire Sat. Consultants in Warrington cost
    about �60-70.
    
    PS The other ``thing'' you probably saw on the Linn Dealers list is the
    new cheap Kaber. Also the price for the Karik + Bitstream board is
    �1498.
    
    I'm not sure I like the name Karin/Pro now about
    Kairn/No-LP-12-input-so-it-can't-possibly-sound-any-good :-)
365.5PS Shouldn't this be in the livingroom topic ?FUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonFri Jul 24 1992 14:031
    
365.6since when was there any discipline here anyway?BAHTAT::SALLITTa legend in his lunchtimeFri Jul 24 1992 14:077
    re .5....
    "-< PS Shouldn't this be in the livingroom topic ? >-"
    
    I think it's there as well. It looks like it got here by accident
    ("write" instead of "reply", maybe?), but this is better place to have
    a discussion, anyway.
              
365.7IOSG::HORSFIELDThe Author asserts the moral right to be indentified as the author of this workFri Jul 24 1992 14:2031
	the powermid was about �80(?). i got mine from uxbridge
	audio.

	the karik/numeric? i think ecstatic would be a suitable
	understatement. however, to be fair, i got the kairn and at
	the same time and the k400 cable a week later.

	i auditioned it against a baby naim, and the meridian
	200-series transport + DAC.

	i started off liking both those, even though they were very
	different from each other. however, i found that i hated
	violins on the meridian - the machine had such a bright
	presentation they sounded scratchy. the naim was very nice
	all round. very smooth.

	then i tried the 600-series transport with the 200-series
	DAC. this was a big improvement over 200, and, for me, better
	than the baby naim. (i never listened to the 600-series
	DAC...my conscience was having enough trouble as it was.)

	then the Linn. well, it's given me a completely new CD
	collection! but they all would have done that. for me, it was
	way out in front, compared with the above. it's clear,
	smooth, very unfatiguing (sp?).

	incidentally, the kairn made a big improvement to the stereo
	image from the isobariks.

	
	jack