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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

329.0. "Tweak Rip-Off" by HAMPS::IVES_J (Bad Karma in the UK) Fri Dec 20 1991 12:28

    I noticed that this months HiFi choice is selling RF filters to strap
    around your interconnect cables (like you have on the monitor cable to
    a PS2) Seems they want 10.99 (a pair) for what maplin sell for 2.95
    each i.e 5.90 a pair.
    
    Another example of the great HiFi tweak rip-off like cables , speaker
    stands, magic pens etc etc etc.
    
    TANDY also sell these for the extortionate 3.99 each. Of course these
    are obviously inferior in sound terms as they say TANDY rather than
    HiFi choice on the side :-)
    
    Yours Cynically
    jives
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329.1So what's new....?BAHTAT::SALLITTa legend in his lunchtimeFri Dec 20 1991 12:4418
                                                                      
    I agree the HiFi choice price is a rip off.
                                                                      
    I would never use anything like this on an interconnect, as it is
    almost certain to "slug" the sound; the same could apply to the power
    cable of any device with an analogue output. The only place I have felt
    comfortable using a clip-on rfi filter is on a cd transport. Whether it
    stops garbage getting in to the transport and causing data jitter, 
    or out onto the mains and polluting the rest of the system, is debatable.
    
    Adding one to the power cable of my cd player worked wonders, but I have 
    seperated the power feed to the dac from that of the transport - the 
    filter is on the transport cable. Does the cd sound better because
    because rfi isn't getting in, or because transport-generated rfi isn't
    getting out? I dunno, I can't prove it either way; you work it out. 
                                                                      
    
    Dave
329.2HAMPS::IVES_JBad Karma in the UKMon Dec 23 1991 09:5812
    I agree ! I also notice that HiFi news are offering the TDK flavour of
    RFI clips . Still more expensive. I use a TANDY one on the Transport to
    DAC cable. Over Xmas I'm going to experiment with an old isolating
    transformer for Transport/DAC or Both. This has the same number of
    turns on the primary as the secondary, the theory being that only an AC
    signal (i.e. mains) should pass through, irregular signals (i.e.
    interferance ) should not. The CD player/transport I use (Marantz) has
    only Live and Neutral mains connections anyway which makes life easier.
    
    On a related matter I posted a note in the audio notes conference
    asking what people made of the Audio Alchemy Clearstream thingy which I
    noticed KJ West One are plufgging at the moment. We shall see
329.3R F NOISE CD PLAYERSNIBLIK::DAVIESTMon Jan 06 1992 18:3413
    THIS IS RATHER INTERESTING IN THE LIGHT OF A RECENT DISCOVERY.MY CD
    PLAYER A MERIDIAN PRO RECENTLY WENT FAULTY CAUSING ME TO SWITCH IT OFF
    NORMALLY IT IS LEFT WITH POWER ON AND TO MY SURPRISE THE REST OF THE
    SYSTEM,TURNTABLE PRE/POWER AMPS SOUNDED MUCH BETTER IE CLEANER BETTER
    CLARITY STEREO IMAGING SO MUCH SO ON RETURN OF THE CD I'M CONSIDERING
    LEAVING IT OFF EXCEPT WHEN IN USE WHICH IS AGAINST MERIDIAN'S
    ADVICE.THE REST OF SYSTEM IS "EXCELSIOR PRE AMP CONCORDANT VALVE POWER
    AMPS TURNTABLE IS SYSTEMDECK KOESTI BLACK USING AUDIO TECHNICA STEP UP
    TRANSFER.ANY COMMENTS ON THIS WOULD BE INTERESTING AS REPEAT ALL I DID
    WAS SWITCH OFF THE CD NOT REMOVE POWER LEAD INTERCONNECTS OR ABYTHING
    ELSE
    
    POWER
329.4Shhhh......BAHTAT::SALLITTa legend in his lunchtimeTue Jan 07 1992 10:1238
    re .3....
    
    I'm not surprised at what you've found, especially as you are using a
    low o/p MC cartridge; if you were using a MM cartridge the effect 
    wouldn't be so pronounced. Putting one of the Tandy gizmos around the
    mains lead of your CD player, as close as you can get to the player, may 
    allow you to leave the CD player on without it polluting the sound of
    the rest of the system. You may need one on your preamp power cable
    too.
    
    The reason this happens is because although your MC input cable
    screens go to earth, that earth is only effective at audi frequencies
    and below. At the sort of high frequencies, often into the VHF band,
    that circulate within CD players, that earth ain't earth at all. With
    line stages, the voltage induced with respect to the wanted signal is
    too low to be of consequence, but with MC inputs, whatever step-up you
    use, these levels are high enough to cause audible pollution of the audio
    signal. The routes for this are several, but are usually via signal
    grounds, mains, radiated rfi from the CD player, or rfi re-radiated
    from the other places it gets into.
    
    It may be worthwhile checking your system grounding at all points, and
    ensuring your house mains earth, at all the places you can get at it,
    is clean and tight. Connections that are OK from a safety angle may can
    still act as entry points for rfi pickup. This may also provide sonic
    benefits regardless of whether your CD player is on, off, in or out,
    when listening via an MC input; don't fool about with the house earth
    unless you have enough elementary electrical knowledge to avoid
    electrocuting self/family/cat/dog or burning the house down, though.
    
    "Set mod/hat=on"...on a different subject.... 
    Please try to deselect upper case characters unless you need them for
    grammatical reasons. Apart from making a note less easy to read on a
    screen, the extended use of upper case is construed as shouting in
    VAXnotes etiquette! I know how easy it is to get enthusiastic about
    these apparently wierd tweeks.....
    
    Dave