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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
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Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
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310.0. "Upgrade Questions." by TASTY::JEFFERY (Make a new plan Stan) Fri Sep 20 1991 12:44

Hi,

I'm finally taking the plunge!

I am planning to audition amplifiers in the �200-�300 pound price range,
and am booked in at Basingstoke HiFi (Audio T???) Shop in the morning,
and Reading HiFi in the afternoon!

My current system consists of Rega Planar II, Rega Bias, Yamaha A-320
and Wharfedale Diamond II Speakers.

Basingstoke HiFi have suggested Arcam Delta 60, Mission Cyrus II (If I
want to go over the price range) and some Rotel pre/power combination.

I'm concerned that this isn't a representative range of what is on offer,
so I arranged to see Reading HiFi as well.

They are suggesting the Arcam Alpha or the ONIX OA21S. The ONIX OA21S has
just been updated, with the major update being the price! The new one
is �350 (a bit over my price range). However, they have an ex demo OA21S,
which is the old model for �289. I can't remember the old price for the
OA21S, but wasn't it less than that? Do you think I'd be safe buying an
ex-dem amplifier? (he says it will be fully guaranteed) Can I beat him
down on price?

I've heard a friends Ion Obelisk, which sounded very good. Are there any
similar amps in this price range?

Ta for any help.

Mark.
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310.1IonCRATE::WATSONC is its own virusFri Sep 20 1991 14:4011
    I'd go for the Ion (nee Nytech) amp. It's very well matched to the Rega
    cartridge and will see you through many an upgrade to other components
    in the system (Both front end and speaker).
    
    As for prices of ex-demo equipment. Even in these days of recession
    don't expect any bargains on ``quality'' Hi-Fi. But don't be scared of
    buying if its the amp you wan't. It shouls be fully guaranteed and all
    the mfgs. of the amps you are talking about are reputable and produce
    quality. reliable products.
    
    	Rik
310.2RONNO::jefferyMake a new plan StanFri Sep 20 1991 15:2111
Who sells the Ion. My friend with the obelisk got it from West Midlands
Audio (a bit far away from me!), although he is an excellent dealer (I
bought my REGA from him 5 years ago)

I like the idea of the ONIX, it seems to be similar to the ION.

Can anyone remember the old price of the ONIX OA21S? Is the dealer
fiddling me? I'm sure that the old one was ~ #240, so surely an ex dem
version should be less, not more.

Mark Jeffery
310.3The proud owner of...TASTY::JEFFERYMake a new plan StanMon Sep 23 1991 15:0451
Hi,

Well, I did eventually buy the ONIX OA21S ex demo system from Reading HiFi.

My first demo was at the Basingstoke store, where they used a Linn Basik, K9
(I didn't bring my REGA in), and my Diamonds hooked up to the following:

Yamaha A-320		- My old amp for reference.
ARCAM Delta 60		- �300
Mission Cyrus II	- �350
Musical Fidelity A1	- �300

I first tried the Yamaha, and thought it sounded OK, then I tried the Cyrus II
which was a major improvement (I'd have been worried if it wasn't!), and then
the ARCAM which was better than the Cyrus (Easier to listen to, but less
initially �impressive�)

I have a theory, for these amps which goes like this - There seemed to be some
high frequency crap masquerading as music with a lot of these amps. It was
noticeable by its absence with the preferred amp. I don't know what generates
this, but I assume that it is a lack of control of the signal on the amplifiers
part.

So for instance, the Arcam sounded better than the Cyrus in this respect.

The Musical fidelity A1 sounded extremely impressive. I was under the impression
at first that the High frequencies were rolled off, but it still managed to
sound good. It sounded very very relaxing in a quite stressfull environment (well
at least I find it stressfull). However, given its high heat output, and the fact
that it needs warming up, I thought it would be a little impractical.

So, having chosen the Delta, I made my excuses and left, going to Reading HiFi.

There I compared the Delta to the ex demo OA21S. The OA21S easily sounded better
than the Delta, so I chose that. Reading HiFi had a nasty trick up their sleeves
though. They played me the Linn Intek at �400 "just in case I was interested".

The Linn Intek sounded heaps better, but was just a little too expensive for me.
It was interesting to see that the construction of the amplifier was definitely
"complicated" (There seemed to be a lot of components in the standard amp size
box.), but still very well made.

So, it was the ONIX for me. For those unfamiliar, the ONIX is a well made black
box, half the width of normal amplifiers, but a bit deeper than most. It has just
3 knobs. The one on the left chooses between CD-Phono-Tuner-Tape-Video, but is
unmarked! I'll get used to it soon I'm sure. The power knob, which I'll try to keep
switched on, and the Volume knob. The sound quality is much better than my Yamaha.
The sound is good when the music is complicated, it seems less "blurred", and in
general sounds "very nice"

Mark.
310.4WIKKIT::WARWICKTrevor WarwickMon Sep 23 1991 17:1719
    
> There I compared the Delta to the ex demo OA21S. The OA21S easily sounded better
> than the Delta, so I chose that. Reading HiFi had a nasty trick up their sleeves
> though. They played me the Linn Intek at �400 "just in case I was interested".
    
    I think some other contributor to this conference also had this done to
    them.
    
    I was in there last year sometime, and they had just sold a pair of
    LS3/5a speakers (�350) to someone who had come in asking for a pair of
    Celestion 3s (�1?0). I happened to overhear the assistants talking 
    about the great "sell-up" they'd just acheived.
    
    I'm not really sure whether I think this is a bad thing or not. It's
    your choice whether you can afford the better component or not, and I
    don't think they employ any hard sell tactics. You may end up happier
    in the long run (but somewhat poorer) with the more expensive one.
    
    Trevor