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293.0. "Amplifier kit review" by WOTVAX::MEAKINS (Clive Meakins) Tue Jul 16 1991 23:40
I may try to have this published in the Hi-Fi press, any comments?
Build yourself an "Audio Design Amplifier"
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Have you ever considered building some of your hi-fi system? It's
not difficult, even if you have little or no electronics experience
you could build two or three simpler projects first to gain
experience and confidence. A reasonably practical aptitude is
required,but not unduly so.
I wanted to build a good quality amplifier to replace my faithful
Musical Fidelity A1. Part of my reasoning for building was that to
better the A1 I was talking about really serious money for a
significant improvement, a kit should reduce the cost somewhat. The
satisfaction of building an amplifier and being able to include
features that appeal was also a major consideration.
I'm a competent electronics constructor though my theoretical
knowledge leaves quite a bit to be desired, so good instructions
were required. A design that allowed a stereo amplifier to be built
to start with and could be expanded to a fully active system would
be very attractive.
Good design principles were considered more important than exotic
components, these can always be added later. You can't change the
basic design easily. The finished product would need to be well
finished and attractive, my wife isn't too keen on home made looking
boxes in the house, can't think why.
As shops don't stock built-up kits the real problem was, how do I
judge whether I would like the sound produced by the finished
product?
Design Philosophy and Features
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Having looked through various catalogues, the only contender was a
kit produced by Hart Electronics of a John Linsley Hood design. The
designer is a well known, respected audio designer and the kit
producers have been around a long time. Some years ago I built a
Hart kit / Linsley Hood designed budget priced cassette deck and was
very pleased with the results. As the audio industry now produces
plenty of reasonable budget audio, Hart decided to move up market.
The Hart / Linsley Hood "Audio Design" amplifier is a power
amplifier kit that comes in various configurations. It can be
purchased as a line level amplifier with input selector, volume and
balance controls or as straight power amplifiers in stereo or
monoblock versions.
The initial design was first published in 1984 with few refinements
being deemed necessary since. Considerable time was spent producing
a professional kit, with the designers full co-operation. The
stereo amplifier is rated at 80 watts per channel, the monoblock
version rising to around 120 watts per channel, MOSFETS are the
output devices used. The amplifier design is direct coupled and
comprises fully discrete circuitry, no ICs are used at all. The
power supplies are stabilised featuring short circuit and DC
sensing, power being shutdown if DC is present on the speaker
outputs.
Output device failure is particularly perilous to loudspeaker drive
units when using direct coupled amplifiers as the output stage
midpoint is directly connected to the speakers. Alternatives to
protection being built into the power supply would entail using
relays or fuses, a messy solution where currents of several amps are
flowing.
The designer chose to use a stabilised power supply as safety
features could be incorporated with the additional benefit of solid
bass being a characterisic of using this type of power supply.
Earthing systems play a very important part in sound quality, the
kit has had good deal of work done in this area. The earths are
taken to a common point. If you build the circuit boards into your
own cases it will be necessary to pay particular attention to the
routing of earth cables and even types of cables, more on this
later.
The components used have been specially selected for their purpose.
Highly expensive and esoteric components have been avoided, the
strategy being one of sensibly priced, good quality and viable size
components being used where required. Other components may give
even greater sound quality, but that the bulk of the quality gains
have already been achieved with the existing components. The
resistors are generally 0.3 watt metal film types at 1% tolerance.
The capacitors tend to be a mixure of polycarbonate and polystyrene
with bypass capacitors being used where it's advantageous.
Speaking to Hart I was advised of a customer who might be willing
for me to audition a pair of monoblocks. The system I was to
audition fortunately comprised a Meridian 207 CD for a front end,
this is little different to my own Meridian 206 and I was able to
take along my own speakers. So the audition was pretty meaningful,
we listened for a couple of hours and I very much liked what I
heard. Normally before purchasing a new component for my system I
would want to spend more time auditioning, but I was impressed
enough to take the risk and purchase a pair of monoblock kits.
First Impressions
-----------------
I was able to visit Hart Electronics at Oswestry to pick up the
kits. On getting the kits home I found the components are logically
separated into easily identifiable plastic bags. The toroidial
transformer is really quite hefty, a good sign. The sheer number of
components was a little intimidating, but that's what you get for
jumping in at the deep end with two monoblocks.
The instructions are very thorough, some constructional experience
is useful, though the instructions are full enough to allow
construction by those with limited experience. I certainly wouldn't
recommend that this be a first project for anyone. Building a
couple of kits from say, Maplin (you'll find their catalogue at your
local WH Smith), will help you decide if you could manage one of
these amplifier kits.
The Build
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Taken a piece at a time it didn't turn out to be too daunting a task
to build the monoblocks. I chose to build them side by side,
assembling a batch of components for one channel and then doing the
same again for the other. I tended to work for around two hours at
a time, mainly after work with rather more effort going in at the
weekends. In all it took me about two weeks to complete the build.
I found that a combination of electronic components getting smaller
over the years and my eyes being tired and the end of the day wasn't
a good combination. The number of coloured bands used on resistors
was inconsistent so, in line with the instructions I relied more on
measuring the resistors with a multimeter. The only other
problematic components were the diodes, these have extremely small
identifications on them, I even ended up using a microscope to
double check identification. I suggest using daylight for the
identification of trickier diodes.
The power supplies seem to take an age to build, the amplifier
boards being very quick to build up in comparison. A nice touch are
the plastic mounts for most of the semiconductors, they protect the
delicate glass cased diodes and make for neat mounting of the
components.
Assembling the case is an easy matter, there is absolutely no
drilling or other finishing to do. The appearance of the finished
product is really very good, it even passes scrutiny from my wife,
no mean feat for commercially built equipment, let alone home built
hi-fi! The cases are finished in traditional black, the monoblock
version simply having a power switch, green LED for power indication
and a "psu tripped" red LED indicator. The white lettering is of
good quality and looks rather stylish. The casework may not be up
to the the quality of the best, but it's certainly considerably
better than some very expensive pieces of equipment.
As I'd built the monoblock version some form of pre-amp was
required. To get me started I quickly built an ALPS pot into a
simple box, the intention being to assess what is needed once the
monoblocks were up and running.
Testing
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The set-up procedures are fairly simple and only require a
multimeter. Hart Electronics offered their services in testing the
monoblocks, this was an attractive offer as even though there are
various protections built into the design, powering up the supplies
gradually from a variac was rather less stressful than simply
switching on and praying.
The components I worried the most about were the diodes, it would be
easy to get one the wrong way around, the reversed polarity could
have unfortunate results for many of the semiconductors. Powering
up gradually means that polarities and voltages can be checked
before any serious damage could be done in the event of a reversed
polarity. Electrolytic capacitors can make quite a mess if inserted
the wrong way around, so not having the clear up a terrible mess is
another benefit of testing this way. As it happened there were no
component errors, so this careful testing mainly served to keep my
blood pressure down.
To get the amplifiers ready to run the power supply low and high
current supplies need to be set along with the standing current and
DC offset for the amplifers. These are all simple adjustments that
are performed with a multimeter. The standing current can be set
higher in the monoblock versions as the power supply has only one
channel to load it and the heatsink is the same as for both channel
of a stereo amplifier. Mine are set to a conservative 300mV, this
being double the recommended for the stereo version.
All set up and ready to go, I first of all used an old pair of car
speakers, just to check everything was alright, not wanting to
destroy my main speakers. Everything turned out to be working, so I
switched over to my main speakers. The protection built into the
power supplies was soon tested. It became apparent that deep bass
played loudly trips the DC sensing facility within the power supply.
Indeed, Chris Rea's Road to Hell is a very effective track to do
this with. When tripped, the amplifer needs to switched off for
around two minutes, presumably to allow a capacitor to discharge.
The standard component values that control the shutdown in this
situation are very conservative for the monoblock version.
Alternative values can be advised on request from Hart. I have
stuck to the standard values as I've only tripped the power supplies
when trying to demonstrate how loud the amplifiers will go, in
normal listening there is no drawback. Those using inefficient
speakers or high power handling ones for parties might need to go
for less protection for added power. I'm happy with the standard
values saving me from my own stupidity. I can't comment on the
short circuit protection as I've not tested it, hopefully I never
will.
Sound
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Assessing the sound using my Meridian 206 CD and Musical Fidelity
Reference 2 speakers, my initial impression was that it lacked a
little bass and was a touch hard. This was no great surprise, it is
normal to have to "burn in" electronic components. Some commercial
equipment is left switched on for a considerable period after
testing to help in this area. It took me some time to get the sound
as I wanted, but that had more to do with the room acoustics.
Replacing the wire from the power amplifier circuit boards to the
output sockets surprisingly produced a very significant and
rewarding change to the quality of bass, it became deeper and
tighter.
Changing the main earth wire from the amplifier board to the the
central earthing point to be a length of speaker cable also had a
surprising effect. The sound became totally undynamic, I had to
restore the original wire. More tests should be carried out as I'm
uncertain whether the problem was due to the cable type, or
soldering rigid speaker cable onto the push on connectors that form
the terminations for most of the internal wiring. It could be that
my soldering of the rigid speaker cable wasn't up to scratch for
carrying high current loads.
Moving back to the sound characteristics of the monoblocks when
run-in, the best way I can describe the sound is that they are
transparent, open and capable of good soudstaging. They produce
solid and tuneful bass. If I change any other component in the
system it is very easy to hear the effect of that change. When
changing cables used with my old A1, I frequently couldn't detect
much of a difference between cables. The qualities of differing
cables is now easily discernible in the system. Upgrading my
speakers to EPOS ES11s has let the music shine through even more.
It seems obvious, but the monoblocks simply to amplify the signal.
They just don't add any character of their own, if the recording is
bright the reproduction is bright, if it's dull it comes across as
recorded. I've heard amplifiers that impart a character, this may
be useful when trying to cover deficiencies elsewhere, but is hardly
ideal.
The speaker binding posts on the amplifiers proved rather useful
when bi-wiring the ES11s. I use Naim NAC5 cable which is pretty
inflexible stuff and nigh on impossible to double up into the 4mm
Arcam plugs I was using. It turns out that the binding posts will
take a second pair of plugs verically through the post as well as
the usual way, horizontally into the post. These posts are
available gold plated as an option, an option I chose.
The amplifiers are generally quiet but with some mains frequency
hum. This hum is at a very low level for a single channel, though
switching on the second monoblock does rather more than double the
hum level. Stacking one monoblock on top of the other may not be a
good idea and this is probably the cause of the increased hum. Even
so, the level is not intrusive, though I may try a sheet of aluminum
between the monoblocks sometime.
Turning my attention to the passive preamp I found changing the ALPS
pot I was using to be very rewarding. I used a metal film Sfernice
pot available from Russ Andrews Turntable Accessories, this gives
greater clarity and yet more tuneful bass. The ALPS does have
excellent channel balance on it's side though. It would be very
interesting to try a switched attenuator , such as the kit produced
by Audio Synthesis.
For those who require RIAA input, Hart do produce a kit that resides
in a separate box, there are also quite a few other circuits
available. The quality of your turntable should determine the
quality of your RIAA requirements, an LP12/Ekos/Troika would justify
something rather special.
The design doesn't need tweaking, but if you have any ideas or
preferences it is a simple matter to incorporate them. The obvious
one, though hardly a tweak, is for completeness using the same
interconnects and speaker cable internally as used externally. If
you feel the need to experiment with different capacitors and Holco
resistors, the opportunity is there. Having built the amplifiers
yourself, it's really up to you.
I've been aware that it's natural to think that the sound is great
as you've built the amplifier yourself, this is an easy trap for
home constructors to fall into. These are well designed kits and
they do sound good too. Also I find it rewarding to be listening to
something that really is so good that I've built myself.
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293.1 | | ASICS::EDMUNDS | maine() { char jo; } | Wed Jul 17 1991 10:57 | 7 |
| .0� I may try to have this published in the Hi-Fi press, any comments?
Clive, were you seeking comments on the content of this, or the writing
itself? I personally think the content is fine, but would suggest that
the grammar/syntax be reworked before submitting this for publication.
Keith
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293.2 | Any comments at all | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Wed Jul 17 1991 11:35 | 8 |
| Keith,
Thanks for your suggestion. I'm looking for comments on content, style
of writing etc and any difficult parts that are difficult to
understand.
I'd also be happy to enter into general exchanges on the amplifiers
themselves, if anyone's interested.
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293.3 | | WIKKIT::WARWICK | Trevor Warwick | Wed Jul 17 1991 12:55 | 4 |
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I thought it was interesting, but I agree with Keith about the style. I
know there's at least one tech. author who reads this conference
(Jack), so perhaps he could comment on it !
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293.4 | | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Wed Jul 17 1991 13:11 | 2 |
| Are the comments about style down to presenting the information in a
more "chatty" style that might be more suitable for the Hi-Fi press?
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293.5 | | IOSG::HORSFIELD | off-switches are illegal | Wed Jul 17 1991 14:13 | 8 |
| > I thought it was interesting, but I agree with Keith about the style. I
> know there's at least one tech. author who reads this conference
> (Jack), so perhaps he could comment on it !
thanks trevor....ok, but it'll probably be the weekend before
i get to it
jack
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293.6 | | SUBURB::SCREENER | Robert Screene, UK Finance EUC | Wed Jul 17 1991 14:21 | 25 |
| Hi Clive,
Sounds like you're more than a little happy with your decision.
I found your note detailed without being baffling. I too play with
electrical equipment, but do not know the difference between resistance
and impedence. I guess that's about average for a money conscious
audiophile.
Stick with the concise style, chatty can sometimes appear patronising.
Perhaps inclusion of a few sales and fault statistics from the supplier
might liven it up a bit. I did enjoy reading the bit about potential
faults!
BTW I'm still really happy with the A1 Amp, I finally decided on
Linn Index 2's to complete my system. I'm glad you managed to avoid
putting my money towards something too immoral!
Cheers,
Robert.
p.s. did things suddenly get very literary in here?
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293.7 | Oversea mail order Hart kits ? | ZPOCSC::SINSUPPORT | | Fri Jul 19 1991 05:56 | 13 |
| Re .0, I am DIY'er and I belive I can do reasable good solder jobs and
have sufficent knowledge in audio. Does the Hart kit which you
mention in the base note offer oversea mail order ? What is the
spec, cost and which dealer should I write to as I may be
interested to build the amp kit.
How does it compare to Cyrus II as I own one ?
Pleas post the full address here as I am a remote noter from
Singapore, a small country from the Far East.
Thanks
Parry ( Singapore)
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293.8 | More info later | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Fri Jul 19 1991 09:54 | 26 |
| Parry,
I don't have the address with me, I'll enter it on Monday. Hart will
do overseas mail order, though I'm not sure what impact the heavy
transformer would have on cost. Maybe it's possible to get one
locally.
>How does it compare to Cyrus II as I own one ?
Not having heard the Cyrus II it's hard to say. I'm hoping to do some
comparisons by putting the amp into friends systems. I'll be doing
this when I get back from holiday (mid August) and after I've changed
the negative feedback capacitor for a better type. There maybe one area
where the amp isn't up to the standard set by some very good amps. My
system doesn't reproduce quiet notes clearly when louder ones are being
played. Don't let me mislead you, it's quite good in this area, though
I have heard some better.
I'm wondering whether a change of the all important NFB capacitor
mentioned earlier might make a difference in this area.
As for comparisons, I can only say for sure that it's a significant
improvement over the Musical Fidelity A1. Let me assure you (and Rob
who bought it!), that this is high resommendation indeed. The A1
suited me well and it takes a seriously good amp to improve on it
(unless shear power is required).
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293.9 | | SKIWI::EATON | Marketing - the rubber meets the sky | Mon Jul 22 1991 01:23 | 7 |
| Mmmmm... I used to own a Cyrus II/PSX, and have listened to an A1. To
characterise the sound against an A1 does depend on the type of front-end
you've got but I found the A1 more musical than the Cyrus, but less detailed
(especially when I'd added the PSX). The A1 had a lovely warm sound, while
the II was perhaps smoother. Neither provided the explicit detiling of notes
which you can get with good pre/powers, nor a really good phono stage - I felt
that the Cyrus had a better one than the A1 (again the PSX helped).
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293.10 | Where are Hart? | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Mon Jul 22 1991 09:24 | 20 |
| > What is the spec, cost and which dealer should I write to
> as I may be interested to build the amp kit.
The address is: Hart Electronic Kits Ltd
Penylan Mill
Oswestry
Shropshire
SY10 9AF
England
The price for the two monoblocks was around 500 pounds (included 15%
tax). I also managed a 10% discount, but that's another story. Can't
remember what a stereo amp would cost, probably around 320.
All I can say on specs are, 80W per channel for the stereo amp, 117W
for the monoblock. Input impedance 150K and 175 mV sensitivity, it's
designed to be used without active preamp circuitry.
The performance of the monoblocks (that's all I've heard) is very good
in relation to their cost.
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293.11 | They like it. | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Tue Oct 15 1991 11:10 | 4 |
| The good news is that Hi-Fi News and Record Review are to publish my
review posted at the begining of this note. There are some changes,
mainly additions covering comparisons with other amps. Should be in
the Feb edition.
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293.12 | Publication date moved | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Thu Dec 12 1991 10:04 | 7 |
| > The good news is that Hi-Fi News and Record Review are to publish my
> review posted at the begining of this note. There are some changes,
> mainly additions covering comparisons with other amps. Should be in
> the Feb edition.
Don't suppose anyone's rushing out to buy the article, but it now
scheduled for the March edition, on the streets around 10th Feb.
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293.13 | Congratulations | LARVAE::IVES_J | Bad Karma in the UK | Thu Mar 12 1992 09:34 | 12 |
| Congratulations !
read your article in the April edition of HiFi News, and thought it
excellent. I really feel that all the magazines could benefit from more
articles aimed at DIY. Whilst in Foreign countries I often pick up HiFi
magazines and normally find far more emphasis on kit building or even
building from scratch.
I thought your article very objective , which is extremely hard when
it's something you just made yourself.
Do you plan any more ?
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293.14 | Hopefully more to come | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Thu Mar 12 1992 18:36 | 19 |
| > I thought your article very objective , which is extremely hard when
> it's something you just made yourself.
Thank you for the congrats. I was very aware that it's very easy to
think the amp you've just built is a world beater, so I tried to remain
objective and make plenty of comparrisons. It would have been too easy
to listen in isolation and pretend it's the best ever.
BTW The editor cut the article down from 3800 words to around 2000 and
I should have charged for the photos. I know for next time.
> Do you plan any more ?
I'm waiting to find out how this article goes down. I could write a
follow up on tweaking the amps as I have now done quite a lot to them
as well as my CD player. A major lesson here was that it seems the
cheaper the tweak, the more effective it tends to be. By this I mean
the spending big bucks on expensive components isn't necessarily cost
effective.
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293.15 | Any QUAD 606 fans ? | ZPOVC::PARRYCHUA | Singapore, Life is bid-$-fine | Fri Jul 03 1992 02:19 | 8 |
| Hi,
It anyone out there has compare the kit to QUAD power amp 606 or your
opinions about the QUAD 606 ? Does QUAD 606 match well with passive
preamp ?
Thanks
Parry
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293.16 | Naim (ish) | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Fri Jul 03 1992 09:44 | 16 |
| > It anyone out there has compare the kit to QUAD power amp 606 or your
> opinions about the QUAD 606 ?
Can't compare the kit, but think of the kit a have a Naim-like sound,
but not quite so analytical. Naim fans - don't take that as a
criticism, it's not. The Naim designs are actually based on some
original Lindley Hood work.
> Does QUAD 606 match well with passive preamp ?
As long as the Quad 606 has a reasonably sensitive input you should be
ok. Passives need very careful cable selection, cables that make a
small differnce on active preamps can make a massive difference on
passive.
Could you take your preamp and speakers to the Quad shop?
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