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| 292.1 | | WIKKIT::WARWICK | Trevor Warwick | Mon Jul 15 1991 19:56 | 6 |
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I've tried to send you some mail on this subject, but VAXmail says you
can't receive mail... If you don't get the ALL-IN-1 mail I tried to
send, please let me know.
Trevor
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| 292.2 | gobsmacked.... | BAHTAT::SALLITT | | Tue Jul 16 1991 17:16 | 3 |
| Are Kan stands *really* �100 a pair now?
Dave
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| 292.3 | I built my own stands......
| TENERE::DEIGHTON | | Mon Jul 22 1991 17:29 | 18 |
| I went looking for speaker stand some time ago and came more or less to
the same conclusion as you........I did not feel that the prices reflected
the true manufacturing costs, but that someone had tried top price some
emotional "value added" that I did not perceive.
So I built my own, from square section tubular steel and an arc welder....a
word of caution arc welding 1mm thick steel is NOT EASY, burning holes in
1mm steel with an arc welder is, on the other hand, extremely simple.
My suggestion is to try brazing any joints!
In terms of sound? I noticed no difference between the stands and the
VERY heavy, small wooden tables the speakers were on originally....in both
cases feet were supported by pointed metal cones.
Costs? About 15 pounds in raw material and probably the same in electricity
(but then I probably botched the equivalent of one pair of stands simply by
learning to weld as I went!).
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| 292.4 | Why speaker stands? | LARVAE::BARKER | Do not fold, spindle or mutilate | Tue Jul 23 1991 11:08 | 8 |
| Would anyone care to expound on the reasons why one might want to use
speaker stands? They only seem to have become popular in the last 10 years.
Looking at the construction of them I'm surprised that they don't sell
for about 20 pounds pre pair, but then again I'm never really surprised by the
unbelievable prices that people will pay in search of the _ultimate_ sound.
Nigel
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| 292.5 | | WIKKIT::WARWICK | Trevor Warwick | Tue Jul 23 1991 13:01 | 25 |
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> Would anyone care to expound on the reasons why one might want to use
> speaker stands? They only seem to have become popular in the last 10 years.
>
>
One answer might be what would you use instead ? Given that you are
spending a reasonable amount of money on a Hi-Fi system, you might as
well set it up so that it works properly.
In how many rooms are there bits of furniture placed in exactly the
right spots so that you can put the speakers at the right distance
apart and the right distance from the walls ?
If you don't place the speakers symmetrically, and according to the
manufacturers' guidelines, you will probably end up with
poor/nonexistent imaging, and all sorts of weird colourations in the
resulting sound. Stands will also help to avoid problems with putting
speakers on furniture (imprecise bass, for example).
If you don't care about such things, then there's no point in buying
stands. I have to agree about the prices though - they are clearly a
rip off.
Trevor
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| 292.6 | | LARVAE::BARKER | Do not fold, spindle or mutilate | Tue Jul 23 1991 14:38 | 11 |
| re .5
> One answer might be what would you use instead ? Given that you are
Well at the moment I don't use anything as my speakers are stood on the
floor. Would they benefit from being 18" higher?
What I was really getting at in .4 is to what extent these stands help
the sound by e.g. rigidly sticking to the carpet with those little spikes.
Nigel
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| 292.7 | Stands are a must | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Tue Jul 23 1991 14:45 | 12 |
| > Well at the moment I don't use anything as my speakers are stood on the
>floor. Would they benefit from being 18" higher?
If these are small, bookshelf type speakers they would benefit. By
siting such speakers on the floor you may be getting a lot of boomy
bass, which you may now ber used to. Also it is normal to have the
tweeters at ear level as, unlike bass, high frequecies are very
directional.
Rigidity is also important as the drive units act as pistons, if the
speaker cabinet is able to move at all, you will loose quality, possibly
in the area of detail.
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| 292.8 | | JUNO::WOOD | Pooh didn't use a blindfold | Wed Jul 24 1991 10:59 | 18 |
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Raising speakers off the floor can make quite a lot of difference, I remember
that my mate had his Heybrook HB2s at Poly, and we were listening to them when
they were just placed on the floor, and the sounded OK, then he put a toilet
roll under each speaker, and the difference in quality was definitely noticable.
And just to show that at the time I was not an - 'It has to be perfection or
nothing' type, I was using a 15year old Bang & Olufson receiver and a pair of
car speakers !!!!
Alan
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Hmmm. I wonder what they would have sounded like on concrete filled toilet
rolls ????
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| 292.9 | | LARVAE::BARKER | Do not fold, spindle or mutilate | Wed Jul 24 1991 13:42 | 9 |
| re .8
>they were just placed on the floor, and the sounded OK, then he put a toilet
>roll under each speaker, and the difference in quality was definitely noticable
Of course �100 speaker stands would mean that your speakers were less likely to
topple off.
Nigel
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| 292.10 | Heavy, yes; flashy, no | HLFS00::STEENWINKEL | FM2 | Wed Jul 24 1991 14:51 | 19 |
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>>they were just placed on the floor, and the sounded OK, then he put a toilet
>>roll under each speaker, and the difference in quality was definitely noticable
>Of course �100 speaker stands would mean that your speakers were less likely to
>topple off.
They don't need to be �100 to prevent the speakers toppling off. My
speaker 'stands' are concrete building segments, U-shaped, about 2ft
each side. I've put them open side forward (so they're ]-shaped
really), speakers on top of them on spikes. The speakers are smaller so
they clear around 2 inches sideways, 1 inch front and back. With 75 kg
apiece I think I can handle somewhat bigger drive units before they
start resonating. Total cost �20, including delivery though only to
the bottom of the stairs ... Ngggggggggggkkkkk.
- Rik -
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| 292.11 | Concrete speakers | LARVAE::BARKER | Do not fold, spindle or mutilate | Thu Jul 25 1991 10:48 | 7 |
| Just as an aside when I was at university in the early seventies I was
sub-let a friends bedsit during the summer vacation. Included in the furniture
were a pair of concrete speakers. They had been cast in flat slabs & then glued
together with epoxy resin. The weighed about 50lbs each. Pretty good sound,
certainly no stray resonances.
Nigel
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| 292.12 | hifi going dow the drain | HAMPS::IVES_J | I've got a bad feeling, Mr Tracey! | Thu Jul 25 1991 12:36 | 9 |
| I've often thought that tall stands could be made from lengths of pipe
the ceramic kind they lay for drains (not second hand !) a 6" diameter
would probably be best. you could epoxy glue a slab/tile to each end
for the bottom top plates. Do all that, paint it black and
bobs-your-uncle something so bl**dy awful looking your friends will
think you paid the earth for it !
But seriiously I guess it could work.
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| 292.13 | #110 quid, that a lot of beer | IOSG::BILSBOROUGH | Just testing. Please ignore!!! | Tue Sep 10 1991 12:49 | 6 |
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Speaker stands for Linn Helix mark two cost #110 quid!!!!
It's sad.
Mike
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| 292.14 | anotehr observation | WIKKIT::WARWICK | Trevor Warwick | Tue Sep 10 1991 17:38 | 7 |
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My Epos ES11 stands are clearly made by the same company that make Linn
Kan II stands. There is more metal in the ES11 stands than in the Kan
stands, but they cost �80, compared to 100 or 110 for the Kans. Even 80
is a ripoff...
Trevor
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| 292.15 | | SUBURB::SCREENER | Robert Screene, UK Finance EUC | Tue Sep 10 1991 18:51 | 12 |
| The Linn Q-Stone stands.
When I was lugging the Linn Index II's out of Reading Hi-Fi for a home
audition one weekend, I was wondering what the stand was filled with.
The salesman replied, "it's made of granite"!
It won't resonate, that's for sure. I agree, �110 was expensive for two
lumps of rock.
Robbie.
(nice looking lumps of rock though!)
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