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     What are their costs and do you know how they compare to other external 
     DAC's?
     
     Cheers,
     Robert.

    I've heard the PDM II, fabulous sound stage and detail.  Needs up to 
    48 hours to warm up.  Can sound horrible from cold.
    
    I've yet to hear a bitstream that rivals multibit for depth and
    especially control of bass.  This matters for say, Phil Collins,
    whereas bitstream scores on quieter and classical music.

 Januarys What HiFi has a review of various external DACs and CD transports, 
the Deltec DACs being among them. I will endeavour to remember to bring it in
on Monday.

		 Alan
		~~~~~~

Re: .1

In Hong Kong, PDM II cost about $9000 and the Little Bit is about $5000. That
is equivalent to about US$1125 and US$625.

For price/performance, PDM II is probably the best choice.

Chak.

    re .0
    
    Are there any CD players that use the Phillips 7350 chips 
    or are these still to come? 
    
    re .2
    
    How do you differentiate between soundstage and depth? 
    
    re .4
    
    $625, well that's just over �300. Maybe a mass production company 
    (Marantz?, Phillips?) will use this technology to produce a comparable
    complete CD player for less than �300... The Marantz CD50SE must be 
    close to retirement by now.  
    
    

>    re .2
>    
>    How do you differentiate between soundstage and depth? 
    
 
    By depth I meant how deep the bass goes.  Soundstage is usually hard to
    fault with bitstream.    
                        

 What hi-fi have this to say about the Deltecs.

Little Bit.
~~~~~~~~~~~

	On technical grounds alone this new convertor looks set to cause a stir.
You see, not only is deltecs 'little bit' remarkably cheap at just 300 pounds
but it also plays host to the most advanced of Philips bitstream DACs.
................... Listening to this unit is the hi-fi equivalent to having 
your ears syringed. All forms of music seem that much more immediate and tactile
, the stereo images of individual performers located with pin point accuracy in 
a deep and broad soundstage. The sound is so very clean and precise that many 
other DACs on the market may seem vague or lacking in purpose by comparison....
...................In short there's nothing at or around this price point that's
got the faintest chance of competeing - in sonic terms at least - with the 
Little Bit. It even gives the more expensive PDM1 a run for its money to the
point where in most systems at least, you'd be hard pressed to justify the extra
300 pounds.

PDM1 series II.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	.......................... But remember this : the PDM1 is brutally 
revealing of faults elesewhwere in the system, particularly in respect of the
speed, clarity and general fortitude of partnering amplifiers. In common with
the little bit, it employs Philips' top bitstream converters running here not
at 256x but at a massive 384x oversampling.
	There's nothing fundamentally new about the sound of the PDM1 for it 
shares the same effortlessness, lucidity and conviction thats become a hallmark
of all Deletc products. You're either going to take to these qualities or shy
away from their stark reality!


		 Alan
		~~~~~~

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I may even be able to photcopy it.

Re: .5

Even Phillips have no 7350 chip products in the market at this moment.
The competitions, I think, come from the low end DAC like Adcam Blackbox and
the higher end DAC like Wadia. They just fill the gap with a little more
expensive and much better quality.

Re: .6

Thanks for the info.

    It sounds like the 7350 is not in mass production.
    I can't beleive that there are many folks who are buying 
    such exotic equipment.
    
    How long is has it been out? 
    
    Malcolm

About 3 to 4 months. I really don't know.