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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

154.0. "Eastern Bloc Vinyl" by SUBURB::COLEJ (Vegitate-inebriate) Thu Mar 01 1990 09:29

    A thought occured to me that I thought might stir some interest
    in this notesfile.
    
    People say that the vinyl record has a new pressing life of only
    a couple of years. Deutche Gramaphon have to my knowledge already
    stopped pressing vinyl.
    
    However, in the last 6 months, whe whole of the eastern Bloc is
    being opened up to the west. Not many people will have a C.D player
    yet there are thousands of record players out there. Who in their
    right mind is going to ignore this market. Has the Vinyl market
    been given a long extention ? Have the C.D owners been a little
    premature ?
    
    Opinions please !
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    
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154.1IOSG::HARDIENeil Hardie, Tel : 830-3608Thu Mar 01 1990 10:5017
    Personally I think that vinyl has a new pressing life of a lot long
    than a couple of years (this comes from somebody owning a CD player as
    well) even though CD's are increasing their share of the market all
    the time there are some fanatics that will stay will vinyl and
    push for them to be produced, this market as with the Eastern block
    won't be ignored, vinyl may become more expensive and fewer produced
    but they'll still exist.
    
    I agree with the opening up of the Eastern block the life of vinyl has
    been increased quite considerably.
    
    I'd also say that the sale of CD players will be pushed a lot harder by
    producers and with the Eastern block wanting anything they can get to
    become as close to western civilisation as quickly as possible, then
    CD players will be an obvious market to tap into.
    
    							Neil
154.2Hope springs eternal.....BAHTAT::SALLITTDave @RKG, 831-3117Thu Mar 01 1990 12:0944
    One reason behind vinyl's demise vs tape is that vinyl production is very
    labour-intensive - it's difficult to automate in most parts, impossible
    to automate quality control-wise. The market'll only stand a certain price, 
    so with the higher labour costs (oil price notwithstanding) the margin
    on a quality LP product is squeezed very tight. The margin on tape is
    being sqeezed because output volume is so high that with current
    manufacturing technology, costs are rising there as well. Hence we have
    CD; any technical/sonic benefits notwithstanding, it's simply more
    profitable, so that's what the industry - both manufacturing and retail
    - will push us towards. So far the industry has focussed on music
    they'll sell zillions of, but now they're broadening out so that even
    an irascible old digiphobe like me is considering a player to fill in
    the gaps.....
    
    It's worth pointing out that vinyl and tape production was done in-house 
    by the major labels, but CD pressing is almost always contracted out. 
    There also a glut of capacity in CD pressing worldwide, which means the
    labels can screw a lower price from the pressing plants.
    
    Yes, I can see the market for LPs opening up in the Eastern bloc, since
    as was rightly pointed out in .0, they have countless numbers of record
    players, also it will be a few years before there is enough affluent
    people there for CD to have a real market. Labour costs are low, so
    even the major labels may consider building pressing plants for LP 
    "over there", especially as they are more free to enjoy contemporary 
    Western music, which the majors make lots of money from.....
    
    The so-called Eastern bloc has some highly regarded labels, too, like
    the Russian "Melodya" label. These could find their way into our High
    Street stores via the majors' marketing network - or more likely some
    sort of licencing deal will allow the performances to come here on the
    major labels' CD, tape and vinyl-made-from-cheap-Russian-coal/oil LPs.
    
    By the way; whilst the Classical LP catalogue is certainly shrinking,
    its obituary, like Tom Sawyer's, is premature. DG never stopped
    releasing vinyl on its budget labels, and its main label started
    releasing output on vinyl about 6 months after they stopped. Likewise
    EMI/HMV and DECCA; even Philips and CBS still release classical vinyl,
    although in all these cases the catalogue is nowhere near as extensive
    as it used to be, or as that of CD. Still, if you're just "dipping your
    toe in" to the classical world, considering mainstream accessible stuff
    and prefer LP, like the song says you can get it if you really want it.
    
    Dave
154.3Quick one off the main subject.TASTY::JEFFERYWhat's the slipperiest thing you can think of?Thu Mar 01 1990 13:039
RE: .1

Are you really a fanatic if you decide NOT to buy a CD player, and continue
with vinyl.

I thought to be a fanatic, you actually had to DO something (if you see what
I mean)

Mark.
154.4is 1 not not not 0, or not?BAHTAT::SALLITTDave @RKG, 831-3117Thu Mar 01 1990 14:535
    .....it depends on what you're fanatical about.
    
    ;->
    
    Dave