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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

90.0. "Car Speakers" by SUBURB::SCREENER (Robert SCREENE @RGM (830 x6578)) Thu May 25 1989 11:48

    Hi all,
    
    A friend is about to buy some new kit for his car.  I easily managed
    to talk him into buying the same Radio/Cassette as I have (see 17.1).
    
    He has an Opel REKORD (Carlton?) which has REALLY small speaker
    grills in the front (3 inch diameter).  He has looked through various
    sales brochures and it seems that 45hz is the lowest a speaker this
    small will be reasonably responsive.
    
    Q: Does anyone have any knowledge of this size of speaker and what
    sort of sound can he expect from a good pair?
       
    He also wants to improve the speakers in the back.  At the moment
    his system sounds completely naff (nice bit of middle range, but
    not much else).
    
    He has a budget of around �50-�100 for the speakers.  I have advised
    him to favour the front speakers, I think that he would be better
    off leaving the back ones alone and spending all ���'s on a nice
    pair.
    
    I find the stereo image from rear speakers non-existent compared
    to dash mounts, but have a pair merely to make the sound less 
    positioned in the front.
        
    It's a really quiet car and the amp only outputs about 21 watts
    per channel, so a 30-40w pair of speakers should be ample.  The
    tape deck outputs in the 30hz-16khz range, though the amp and tuner
    go 10hz lower he mainly listens to cassettes.
    
    Q: Which end of the car would you prefer your best sound from?
    
    thanks for any replies and suggestions,
    Rob.
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90.1Prefered settupSUBURB::GOSWELLRLooney in the MakingFri May 26 1989 06:1913
    Hi..
    
    I prefer the speaker positions as:
    
    		A pair in the rear parcel shelf 
    		A pair in the front doors.
    
    	My settup is : 50watt(25x25) - 70watt(Front Doors) + 50watt
    		       Rear parcel shelf.  Sounds good clear.
    
    Roger
    
    	P.s. I mainly use tapes as well ..............
90.2A suggestionVINO::SWARDVaxworker in exileFri May 26 1989 07:4015
    re .0

    With a 3 inch in front (most likely a 3.5) you are not going to get
    either frontal image nor any significant low end below 2-300Hz.
    I would suggest a good 3.5 inch pair in front, look at Altec Lansing,
    and a full range speaker for the rear deck.
    The second choice would be to go for separates in front with the
    tweeter in the dash and a pair of woofers in the doors and the a pair
    of full range in the rear deck for fill.

    As for your question and my suggestion above you can see that I
    strongly prefer a frontal image.

    Peter
90.3Yeah!SUBURB::SCREENERRobert SCREENE @RGM (830 x6578)Mon May 29 1989 17:5620
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    Yeah, tweeters in the existing dash mounts and nice woofers in the
    door.  Real trouser flapping stuff, that should sound great!
    
    Unfortunately, he refuses to cut into the velour trim on his doors. 8-(

    Does anyone have a set-up like this, how does the middle range sound,
    muffled, or fine?
    
    Altec Lansing, is that a Manufacturer, Model or Shop?
    
    thanks,
    Rob.
    
    p.s. He brought the KENWOOD 545L at the weekend, but it wouldn't
    fit his dash.  We left it protruding a bit, but the mount is low
    and slightly angled so it looks nice.  But I can certainly hear
    where my well placed �30 and good speaker mounting has improved
    the sound in my car.
90.4A reasonable option?TRUCKS::REEVENicht neues im Westen What a RemarqueSun Jun 04 1989 13:2818
    When I put a new cassette and tuner into my car, I faced the same
    problem. Don't we all. I decided to go with decent speakers set
    into the dash for two main reasons.
    
    1. They're inconspicuous and, therefore, less likely to leave your
    car without your permission. (Especially at night!).
    
    2. I carry my kids in the back, which seems to me rules out having
    speakers blasting from the front to the back. I don't think it's
    fair to deafen a child in my search for 'ultimate' audio quality.
    
    Some will disagree, but I feel a car is such a rotten place to listen
    to music anyway, that there's not much point blowing too much on
    it. After all, you're supposed to be paying attention to the traffic,
    aren't you? 8^}
    
    Best of luck,
    Tim
90.5Advice on some new speakers.RDGE13::MADGEThu Mar 29 1990 18:2036
    
    I have just fixed in a Kenwood tape player 464L (20x20) I think !!!.. 
    I am now faced with the problem that as soon as the music is played loud 
    the speakers currently in the car vibrate and bass out...
    
    I am unable to fit any speakers in the parcel shelf as the car is a
    convertible.. So I am only left with the speaker fixings that already
    exist in the front and back..
    
    There are several types of dash speakers I have enquired about. Both
    for front and back the speaker size is 4 inches..
    
    The types I have been asking about are as follows:
    
    Kenwood 60 watt Dual cone - 30.00
    Kenwood 60 watt 2 way     - 30.00
    clarion 40 watt twin cone - 24.99
    alpine 60 watt 2 way      - 50.00
    pioneer 60 watt           - 40.00
    
    What would you suggest i buy from the above ?? I have no idea, I assume
    that you have bass in the back and treble in the front. Is that correct
    
    Or are there some really good speakers that I have left off this list,
    bearing in mind that I don't really want to spend more than 50 pouds
    per pair.
    
    Also If I wanted to increase the output what would be the best amp to
    go for ?? (The cheaper the better).
    
    Thanks for any advice you can give me.
    
    Regards
    
    Jonathan