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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

52.0. "$1000 US/UK system" by DEC::LEONARD (VAX Architecture Management) Fri Oct 28 1988 21:35

    I'm looking for advice on what to buy.
    
    I'm in Boston now, but I'm going to live in the UK for two years. I'm
    planning to replace most of my current equipment with stuff that works
    with both US-colored electricity and UK-colored.  My speakers (Ohm
    Walsh II's) are presumably color-blind, so I'll keep them. 
    
    I'll need a receiver (or tuner and amp), CD player, turntable, and
    cassette deck.  I like clean sound, but I'm not an audiophile or
    featurephile, so I'm guessing that $1000 will get me an acceptable
    system (without new speakers).  I do want to receive UK longwave
    broadcasts (Radio 4), and I'm willing to pay extra for a CD jukebox. 
    
    What sorts of things do you suggest?  If I've left out important
    information for narrowing the search, let me know what more to say.
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52.1WIKKIT::WARWICKWell, that'll never workSun Oct 30 1988 15:437
    
    If you only want longwave for Radio 4, then don't bother, as Radio 4 is
    also on FM. I think it is worth buying an FM only tuner, and just using
    a tranny for those things that are on MW only (in my case, "Test Match
    Special" on Radio 3 MW, and the BBC World Service). 
                                                       
    Trevor
52.2A vote for Long WaveSPYDER::BARKERDo not fold, spindle or mutilateMon Oct 31 1988 09:5910
re .1

>    If you only want longwave for Radio 4, then don't bother, as Radio 4 is
>    also on FM. I think it is worth buying an FM only tuner, and just using

This is OK if you don't mind missing your favourite programme & listening to 
schools broadcasts every morning during term time. You *need* LW in order to 
listen to *all* the output of Radio 4.

Nigel
52.3how long will this continue?IOSG::PILGRIMIOSG - ALL-IN-1 DevelopmentMon Oct 31 1988 10:2210
    This is true at the moment but the government does not care for
    this situation and I understand that plans are well advanced to
    change it.
    
    (I believe that getting Radio 1 onto FM (as is currently
    happening) thus removing the need for Radio 2 to split at various
    times of day is the first step of this plan.)
       
    cheers
    alf
52.4Anything plus a Rega 2...BAHTAT::SALLITTDave @ ICI,0642432193Mon Oct 31 1988 10:3719
    re .0.....
    
    It may sound obvious, but you'll need to confirm that what you buy
    is convertible between 230v and 110v, and 50Hz and 60Hz respectively.
    Not everything that's sold here is dual-standard powerwise, but
    those that are are usually user-changeable via a switch of some
    sort. The problem area will be the turntable, as this the only item
    in your list which is supply frequency dependent; most use a different
    size drive pulley for 50 and 60 Hz. If you go for a budget oriental
    turntable it will be more economical to junk it and buy new when
    you return stateside; if you want something you can value that will
    serve you for a long time, buy something like a Rega 2 here, then
    have it converted to 60Hz when you get home - Rega have an extensive
    US dealer network and their products are highly regarded in the
    US. It'll cost you more than a budget table, it's only 2 speed and
    has no auto facilities at all, but is probably the most economic
    solution; it'll make your vinyl sound good, too.
    
    Dave
52.5LESLIE::LESLIEAndy ��� Leslie, DECnet Phase VMon Oct 31 1988 12:572
    Also be aware of things like the tuner being able to access all
    wavelengths, some only pick up on odd, e.g. 93.5.
52.6So what's Radio 1, 2, 3, 4?DEC::LEONARDVAX Architecture ManagementMon Oct 31 1988 15:5610
    Thanks for the advice.  I checked at an audio store yesterday, and
    the salesman couldn't think of a single component available with
    a 120/240 switch.  If my existing CD player, tape deck, and receiver
    are insensitive to line frequency (as seems likely), then the turntable
    is the only problem, and I should buy a new one anyway.  So that's
    set.
    
    Now I'm left wondering about this Radio 1/2/4 stuff, which seems
    more complex than I'd suspected.  Can someone give me a quick
    explanation of the different channels?
52.7DC motors =/= no 50Hz problemJGO::FIELDHave hammer, will fixMon Oct 31 1988 16:1923
    
    
   >> Thanks for the advice.  I checked at an audio store yesterday, and
   >> the salesman couldn't think of a single component available with
   >> a 120/240 switch.  If my existing CD player, tape deck, and receiver
   >> are insensitive to line frequency (as seems likely), 
    
    Your tapedeck MIGHT be line-frequency dependent (if we're talking
    reel-to-reel here, most cassette thingies use DC motors), the other
    stuff isn't. 
    
   >> then the turntable
   >> is the only problem, and I should buy a new one anyway.  So that's
   >> set.
    
    Even quite a few turntables use DC motors and some form of DC speed
    control. There are however those (generally regarded as the better
    ones, like Rega and Thorens) that use AC motors. They can generally
    be modified for 50Hz/60Hz by changing the pulley. No real problem
    most of the time.
    
    						- Rik -
    
52.8Quick summaryRDGENG::KEDMUNDSBut I haven't got an fm2r...Mon Oct 31 1988 16:4635
.6�    Now I'm left wondering about this Radio 1/2/4 stuff, which seems
.6�    more complex than I'd suspected.  Can someone give me a quick
.6�    explanation of the different channels?


    There are four national BBC (that is, non-commercial) stations,
    called (in a burst of originality) Radio 1, Radio 2, Radio 3 and
    Radio 4.
    
    Radio 1 is a pop music station, aimed, I suspect, at
    teenagers/housewifes/etc, and, whilst opinions very, it seems that
    there is a lot of rubbish on there.
    
    Radio 2 is more conservative, and possibly aimed at the slightly
    more intellectual listener, but not so good as pure background music,
    more to actually *listen* to.
    
    Radio 3 is largely classical music.
    
    Radio 4 is mainly news, current affairs, etc, but does have some
    good plays and intellectual, and sometimes amusing, quiz programs.
    
    Until earlier this year, R1 was on AM only, but is  now appearing
    on FM. Sometimes the various stations transmit different programs
    on their respective AM and FM frequencies.
    
    There are also many local radio stations, both BBC and independant,
    on FM and AM (usually [always?] both). At present, there are no
    national independant radio stations, but that error is being fixed
    in the next year or so, I believe, starting with four independant
    stations.
    
    Hope this helps...
    
    Keith
52.9Get tuning....BAHTAT::SALLITTDave @ ICI,0642432193Mon Oct 31 1988 16:5539
    re .6....
    "-< So what's Radio 1, 2, 3, 4? >-"
    
    These are the BBC networks for the UK; places on the dial vary
    according to location for FM, but on AM/LW the same frequencies
    cover a fairly wide area.
    
    Broadcast content is as follows:-
    
    Radio 1 plays contemporary/pop/some AOR; varies from dross (breakfast time)
    to some good minority interest stuff during the evening, i.e. after
    the kids've gone to bed :-).
    
    Radio 2 plays music targetted largely at the middle-aged, with some
    AOR at one end of the spectrum to light classical at the other.
    Most music content is boring; early morning (before 7am) is OK,
    and Paul Jones' Blues prog on a Thursday evening is essential listening,
    for me anyway. They also do some big band and mainstream jazz, and
    some interesting chat show broadcasts.
    
    Radio 3 is nearly all classical music. The live broadcasts set
    standards by which all else is judged; in one day you can hear music
    ranging from Paschelbel<sp?> to Philip Glass. They also do a little
    radio drama and some of the more way-out jazz; they have been known
    to broadcast rock music too, approaching it from an academic
    standpoint, though.
    
    Radio 4 is almost all current affairs, drama and documentaries,
    with occasional quiz shows and panel-type programs.
    
    On FM, Radio 3 and 4 broadcast educational material for schools
    and the Open University, so it's worth having access to MW (AM to
    you) and LW, if you want the normal broadcasts at these times.
    
    There are also various BBC and independent local radio stations;
    as a rule they are not up the standard of their US equivalents -
    not the US ones I've heard, anyway - and mainstream Radios 1,2,3
    and 4 are nothing like you have in the USA.
    
52.10MARVIN::WARWICKWell, that&#039;ll never workTue Nov 01 1988 13:2219
    
    There is also  a "Radio 5" in the pipeline, which will have Sport and
    (I think) education programs on it. Where _do_ those wacky dudes at the
    BBC come up with those names ! Maybe when that arrives, the education
    stuff will go off R3 and R4.
    
    Generally, I think that popular music radio in the UK is worse than in
    the US. In most US cities, there's quite a wide array of stations to
    choose from, all targetted to different audiences - you can usually
    find one station that plays the sort of music you like most of the
    time. 
    
    In the UK, there's Radio 1 & 2 plus the local radio stations (both BBC
    and independent) - these local stations usually play a cross-section of
    the stuff that's played on R1/R2. For example, there's no such thing as
    a "rock station". Most station attempt to be all things to all people,
    rather than specialising.
    
    Trevor
52.11Excuse my ignorance, but...INCH::BRIGHTHow much????Wed Nov 02 1988 09:4620
Re. Note 52.9 by BAHTAT::SALLITT "Dave @ ICI,0642432193"

You mentioned 'AOR' twice. What is it? Qu�?

Steve.

P.S. As far as radio is concerned, I only listen at breakfast time and after
midnight, and I'm a great fan of Capital Radio at these times. I never
listen to anything else on my bedside radio because it's a bit fiddly to
tune. However, Chris Tarrant (love him or hate him) is on holiday for two
weeks and he's been replaced by Jeremy Beadle (hate him or hate him). Five
minutes of him was enough to convince me to retune to Radio 1. Simon Mayo
is the pits (still not as bad as Beadle tho'), Mike Smith was bad (when did
they change?), in fact it was Mike Smith that caused me to search out Capital.
Mike Read was the best (nostalgia rules). I've heard that Radio 4 is supposed
to be good at breakfast time, perhaps I'll give it a try (I don't like a heavy
session of news when I wake up tho').

Talking of which, the others have just gone to breakfast, so excuse me...
52.12RDGENG::KEDMUNDSBut I haven&#039;t got an fm2r...Wed Nov 02 1988 11:5817
.11�You mentioned 'AOR' twice. What is it? Qu�?

    Adult Oriented Rock (Eagles, Steely Dan, that kinda stuff)
    
.11�      However, Chris Tarrant (love him or hate him) is on holiday for two
.11�weeks and he's been replaced by Jeremy Beadle (hate him or hate him). Five

    Agreed... I've stopped waking up at 6:30 *just* to hear CT (which
    I normally do). Luckily, I'm away all next week, so will miss [sic]
    JB.
    
.11�                                               Mike Smith was bad (when did
.11�they change?), in fact it was Mike Smith that caused me to search out Capital.

    But MS used to be on Capital (and was quite good *then*)
    
    ..Keith..
52.13You mean you don't know??ERIC::SALLITTDave @ ICI,0642432193Wed Nov 02 1988 13:378
    re .11....
    "You mentioned 'AOR' twice. What is it? Qu�?"
    
    AOR = Adult Orientated Rock. Fleetwood Mac, current Clapton,
    Beatles, Simply Red,et al., as opposed to The Screaming Blue Messiahs,
    Bros etc. You dig?
    
    Dave
52.14My ignorance knows no boundsINCH::BRIGHTI&#039;m sure they sound the same...Wed Nov 02 1988 14:5419
I've got reasonably wide musical tastes, but apart from the blatantly
obvious e.g. Bros - Pop, Bob Marley - Reggae, I always seem to have
difficulty in categorising music. This is why I can never find the record
I want in Our Price shops. For example, this lunchtime I went into Our Price
to buy an 'LP' by Latin Quarter. Well, I na�vely thought, with a name like
Latin Quarter and going by the music it must be Reggie, but no - it's
Rock/Pop. Also Level 42 which I would have said is definitely Rock/Pop is
under Reggae. I generally end up asking for the record.

One of my fave records is Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto. Does anyone know
what this is classified as? Is it Trad. Jazz, Modern Jazz, Blues, or something
totally different?

Yours in ignorance,

Uneducated from Basingstoke.

P.S.   Who are the Screaming Blue Messiahs?
P.P.S. My all time favourite track of the week is 'Sad Old Red' by Simply Red,
52.15Oh, them...MEREK::CARPENTERWed Nov 02 1988 17:166
> P.S.   Who are the Screaming Blue Messiahs?

   They're a nice gentle Rock/HM group, if you want to hear some *REAL* music
you can come round and listen to my Twisted Sister and Metallica albums!!

Steve.  (the original one)
52.16Transformers can work wondersLARVAE::COOPERbecause it&#039;s thereThu Nov 03 1988 14:1217
    I came back to Europe with a fair bit of US purchased kit in '82.
     It proved just about impossible to buy "switchable" equipment in
    California - some dealers even told me it was illegal!!
    
    Anyway I ran a Sansui 60+60W receiver here for three
    years on a simple stepdown transformer without problems (except
    lack of longwave).  Incidentally, its now for sale since my wife
    thought it was too big.  It has manual, rotary tuning (quaint eh?)
    so no problems with "missed" frequencies.
    
    I am also still using Technics 120v./60Hz cassette deck and equaliser
    using a stepdown transformer without difficulties.  My Technics
    turntable was bought in Europe but I'm pretty sure it has dc motor
    and 240/120v. switch - in fact you can run it off 12 volt dc I think.
    
    Nick
    
52.17STAR::HUGHESFri Nov 04 1988 19:4420
    When I moved to the US I had visions of buying switchable equipment
    and found it almost impossible. However, if you see an item you
    like, ask to read the instruction manual. They are often written
    to cover the minor variants of a particular piece of equipment and
    will include sections like 'if you have a ZZ-12-AA, you should set
    switch x to your local line voltage'. You will at least then have
    the part number for the switchable version. You can then call the
    manufacturer.
    
    A lot of mfgs will make switchable equipement but not offer it for
    general sale in the US. You may be able to special order it. You
    will not find it on display and consumer electronics sales clones
    will probably tell its illegal/impossible/immoral.
    
    For some reason, most of the Japanese products sold in Australia
    (at least until about 1983) were switchable for voltage/frequency
    and for tuning increments. All of the components of my old system
    were switchable.
    
    gary