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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

43.0. "HiFi show at Heathrow." by ODIUM::EY0150U10 () Tue Sep 06 1988 14:32

    
    I have just read in HiFi News & Record Review about the HiFi Show
    at the Heathrow Penta Hotel. I went there last year, and really
    enjoyed it, as it allowed me to see (and hear) High end HiFi, and
    to get some idea about what my current system is aspiring to.
    
    For those interested, the times are as follows:
    
    Trade :  Thursday 15th September 10am-6pm
             Friday   16th September 10am-4pm
    Public : Friday   16th September 4pm-8pm
             Saturday 17th September 10am-6pm
             Sunday   18th September 10am-6pm
    
    If anyone is interested in going to one of these days, put it in
    a reply to this note. Maybe, some of us can meet. What I shall try
    to do is to be pretty organised about it, and put together some
    sort of short report on new products etc.
    
    If a group can go from the Basingstoke/Reading area, then we can
    save on petrol. BTW, admission is free.
    
    Cheers.
    
    Mark.
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43.1LESLIE::LESLIEAndy ��� Leslie, CSSE (Europe)Tue Sep 06 1988 14:444
    Interested in Public Friday.
             
    Andy
    (RE02-G/E9)
43.2Some major exhibitors.ODIUM::EY0150U10Sorry, It's Mark Jeffery Really!!Tue Sep 06 1988 18:0052
    I should have mentioned that the base note was written by me! "Mark
    Jeffery", I am on a course at the moment, learning all about the
    wonders of DECnet.
    
    Anyway, here are some more details:
    
    Major exhibitors at the show include :
    
    Absolute Sound.
    A&R Cambridge.
    Ariston Acoustics.
    B&W Loudspeakers.
    Cambridge Audio Systems.
    Castle Acoustics.
    Celestion International.
    Creek Audio Systems.
    Goodmans Loudspeakers.
    Heybrook Hi Fi.
    Hi Fi Review.
    Inca Tech.
    JPW Loudspeakers.
    KEF Electronics.
    Michell Engineering.
    Mission Electronics.
    Mordaunt Short.
    Musical Fidelity.
    NAD.
    Naim Audio Ltd.
    QED Audio products.
    Rogers Loudspeakers.
    Roksan Engineering.
    Rotel Hi Fi.
    Ruark Acoustics.
    Sansui UK.
    Tannoy Ltd.
    Trio Kenwood.
    Wharfedale Ltd.
    Yamaha.
    
    I couldn't type a full list because I didn't have the time. However,
    the above represents a flavour of what you can expect. It is heartening
    to see how many European manufacturers are represented. Linn are
    noticeable by their absence, but I expect the Sondek shall be
    represented at the Naim stand!
    
    If more people show an interest, then perhaps we can arrange a common
    time/date!
    
    See you there.
    
    Mark.
    
43.3Here's what I can remember...MARVIN::WARWICKWell, that'll never workMon Sep 19 1988 15:1984
    
    Here's some impressions of my visit to the show on Sunday afternoon, in
    no particular order. I'm not sure how valid the comparisons are between
    the various systems, since they were all (obviously) in different
    rooms: 
                          
    First stand we visited was Roksan. They had set up an enclosed room in
    the middle of a hall, decorated in a sort of industrial-decay Greek
    temple style (if that sounds odd, it was rather). They were
    demonstrating the Xerxes turntable with their new arm and cartridge,
    plus their Darius speakers. The amp was a pre/power setup I'd never
    heard of. The Darius speakers were set up at a very strange angle,
    pointing inwards at more than 45�. I'm not sure why they do this, but
    we saw several Darius systems in other rooms which were set up the same
    way. This system sounded pretty good, although we only heard a couple
    of pop tracks (one was Tracy Chapman), but it really generated a lot of
    involvement with the music. The speakers sounded very "even" - there
    was no obvious frequency range that was being over-emphasised. 
    
    We then went across the hall to Naim. They had a mega-setup, and it was
    quite hard to see exactly what was being used for amplification at the
    time, but there was an LP12, a pair of SBLs that seemed at the time to
    be running bi-amped through a stack of four power amps. We heard some
    Spanish guitar, which sounded very natural and realistic. We returned
    later to hear some more, but they'd blown something up, and were trying
    to work out why the right hand speaker wasn't working, so we didn't get
    the chance 

    The most expensive setup we listened to was an Oracle/Jeff Rowland/
    Infinity system. Again, I coudn't see the preamp, but the power amps
    and speakers were quite something. There were four Jeff Rowland power
    amps (at 4,900 each) plus a pair of Infinity IRS Beta speakers (9,995),
    each pair comprising two separate arrays. One array is made up of about
    5 panel units of various sizes, and then there's an array of four bass
    drivers in a separate box. Each array is about 5 - 5� feet tall. Not
    surprisingly, this system could sound quite amazing. To start with,
    they were playing an LP of Japanese drumming, which demonstrated the
    transparency of the system. It really did sound like the drummers were
    all there in the room in front of you. We then heard a classical piece
    (from a CD) that I didn't know, which didn't really sound as good. The
    sound was more enclosed, somehow, and the system didn't sound as
    transparent. 
    
    Some things that I heard and wasn't impressed with:
    
    	- Mission. Mission CD player, Cyrus 2 + PSX, Freedom speakers
          This sounded very "lean". It may have been that I was standing
          in the wrong place, or even that the speakers weren't set
          up well (right against the wall), but this system did not
          grab one's attention. A shame, as I've got two Mission,
    	  components in my system, and wanted to hear what their 
    	  more expensive stuff was like.
    
        - Kef. They were demonstrating their new concentric-driver
          speakers. We heard a pair with two drivers per speaker, and
          in the same way as with Mission, the music was just happening
          in the room - it didn't make you actually turn round and listen
          like the three I described above. I could have been that the
          system just wasn't turned up loud enough, because it was in
    	  a large room.

    Other notable things we saw:
    
    	- The Philips CDV player (CDV475). This is the one that plays
          all the sizes of CD Video discs (5, 8 and 12 inch). The video
          and sound quality seemed pretty good. Personally, I think
          this whole format is fairly pointless, and wouldn't buy a
          player unless the video facility became standard on all
          CD players, so you couldn't buy a player without it. I can't 
    	  imagine myself ever buying a CDV disc.
    
    	- I was very impressed with the Arcam Delta system we heard.
          It was playing through Arcam 2 speakers, and sounded streets
          ahead of the Mission system, which it must approximately 
          compete with on price.

        - Lots of enormous cables. Most demonstration setups were using
          fairly esoteric cables, both for interconnects and speakers.
    

    All in all, it was an enjoyable afternoon. It would have been nicer
    if there were less people around (it may be better to turn up  at
    opening time in the morning), but I found it very interesting to
    listen to lots of things that I couldn't possibly afford.
43.4Missed it.LARVAE::JEFFERYEven the white bits are blackMon Sep 19 1988 17:268
    
    I wish I had gone, however, I'd completely forgotten another
    commitment. I would have loved to have heard the Roksan, as it is
    usually all too difficult to hear a comparision with an LP12.
    
    Did anyone else go ?
    
    Mark.