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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

24.0. "AIWA separates/repair wanted" by YIPPEE::BUXTON (Steve Buxton - EAITG Valbonne) Wed Aug 10 1988 20:14

    I have an AIWA midi stacking system which has given me excellent
    service for 5 years. It suits me perfectly - the sound is as good
    as I want it (I'm not a Hi-Fi "buff"), it's loud enough for parties,
    I've plugged a Philips CD into it and that works well.
    
    Small problem - there is some distortion on one speaker, which is
    slightly irritating at low volume and unbearable at high volume.

    Thought at first it was the speaker, but I changed them over and
    the distortion moved too. There's no distortion through the headphones,
    so I guess it must be the amp (??).
    
    After 5 years faithful service I really don't mind replacing the
    amp BUT, here comes the snag - I can't get an amp on it's own !
    AIWA UK have told me they only sell complete systems, and that no
    dealer will split a system for me.
    
    I find this hard to believe - surely that's part of the beauty
    of a component system - when one module goes, you can throw it away
    and buy another. And I did pay 1,000 pounds for this kit 5 years
    ago (I bought it when I was in Australia, so probably paid an inflated
    price by UK standards), so I really don't want to just junk the whole 
    thing for the sake of what may be a minor problem.

    So my question is - does anyone know where I can get an amp to fit
    my hi-fi without replacing the whole lot (it would probably have
    to be AIWA to fit nicely into the cabinet with the rest of the kit). 
    Better still, does anyone know where I could get it repaired ?
    
    The current configuration is :-
    
    MX-90	amplifier
    LX-50	turntable
    TX-110	tuner
    FX-50	tapedeck
    SX-9	speakers
    ????	stacking cabinet/connectors
    CD373	CD player
    
    All the above are AIWA, except the CD player which is Philips

    Any help at all would be greatly appreciated,
    
    - Steve B.
    
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24.1Did you say what I thought you did or ?VAXWRK::SWARDCompromise? Sure, we'll do it my way.Wed Aug 10 1988 21:3811
     
    I hope that you didn't mean this:
    
>    Thought at first it was the speaker, but I changed them over and
>    the distortion moved too. There's no distortion through the headphones,
>    so I guess it must be the amp (??).                            

     If you changed the speaker over and the distortion moved then the
     speaker is gone...
    
     Peter             
24.2Only if you sub amplifier.LARVAE::JEFFERYEven the white bits are blackThu Aug 11 1988 10:0714
    
    If you do decide it is the amp, then there shouldn't be TOO much
    trouble changing it. As long as the amp connects to other components
    using phono plugs, and has standard speaker connects, then you should
    be able to substitute another amplifier in its place.
    
    The only fly in the ointment comes if the amp receives other control
    signals from the tuner/cassette deck etc. However with the addition
    of a standard CD player, it doesn't look like you will have any
    problems.
    
    Good luck.
    
    Mark.
24.3must be the speaker....ERIC::SALLITTA legend in his lunchtimeThu Aug 11 1988 10:5410
    re .0, I agree with .1; especially since headphone signals, almost
    without exception, are derived from the speaker outputs.
    
    If it is the speaker, then there are several good speakers you can
    replace them with which will probably outperform the standard Aiwa
    speakers by a mile, and you shouldn't have spend over #100.
    
    Let us know how you get on.
    
    Dave
24.4OK, I'm awake now ...YIPPEE::BUXTONSteve Buxton - EAITG ValbonneThu Aug 11 1988 12:1022
    RE : .1, .3 - Damn ! Blast ! Of course, I meant when I change the
    speakers over the distortion stays in the same place, but now on
    the other speaker (that's what you get for writing notes at 10pm...)
    
    RE : .2, I'd really like to replace it with something almost exactly
    the same, for 2 reasons - first, there are signals from other devices
    involved (except the CD player, which is counted as "foreign").
    e.g there is autorecord, which puts the cassette into pause until
    the record is cued, there's a timer which will wake you up with
    a casette etc.
    
    Second, it all fits together in this neat little cabinet, and if
    I get anything different I'll have to break that up and scatter
    my components around.
    
    Thanks for the quick replies, but I'm still looking for that AIWA
    spares/repairs shop ...
    
    Cheers,
    
    - Steve B.
    
24.5oh alright then....ERIC::SALLITTA legend in his lunchtimeThu Aug 11 1988 13:446
    re .4, just to clear up a couple of points....
    
    you say the problem gets worse with volume? Does the problem occur
    with all sources, i.e. cassette, record, radio? 
    
    Dave
24.6More details ...YIPPEE::BUXTONSteve Buxton - EAITG ValbonneThu Aug 11 1988 16:0311
    
    Yes, if the volume is very low it's unnoticeable, if it's very loud
    one speaker is almost entirely noise.
    
    Yes, with all inputs - record, tape, CD. Though some tapes/records/CD's
    sound worse than others.
    
    Does this help ?
    
    - Steve B.
    
24.7XNOGOV::JCHJohn Haxby. Definitively WrongThu Aug 11 1988 16:5910
    I used to have this on an old Teleton you could fry eggs on: every
    so often half the final power stage used to die.  The death throes
    were remarkably like what you describe.
    
    I used to replace the power stage about once a month towards at
    one stage then I had a closer look and found that a BC107 in the
    previous stage had gone doolally.  By that stage though I bought
    the Crimson and lost interest!
    
    								jch
24.8Some more checks....ERIC::SALLITTA legend in his lunchtimeThu Aug 11 1988 17:0615
    re .6...
    Can you record OK from radio/LP/CD? You can check this by listening
    via the headphone output of your cassette machine or - if your cassette
    deck doesn't sport a headphone jack - by playing back in another
    machine or your car. If this works OK then the power amp side of
    your Aiwa is naff; if not then it's the preamp side. You'll still
    need a dealer, though, unless Aiwa will give/sell you a service
    manual and you know how to use it.
    
    When you swapped over speakers, did you just physically move them around,
    or did you swap the connectors over on the back of the amp? The
    spring connectors used on a lot of oriental amps leave a lot to
    be desired, so check these out before getting despondent!
    
    Dave
24.9and more...ERIC::SALLITTA legend in his lunchtimeThu Aug 11 1988 17:138
    I just read your base note again, Steve. I'd look very closely at
    your speaker connections at the amp and speaker, and  maybe the
    cables. I say this because you say headphones work OK, and these
    are usually (but not always) tapped off via resistors just before
    the speaker connections - if this is so, then your amp must be OK
    for 99%of its innards.
    
    Dave
24.10Stick with AiwaLARVAE::JEFFERYEven the white bits are blackThu Aug 11 1988 18:0212
    As the Aiwa has extra control stuff, it looks like you will have
    to get another Aiwa amplifier. Does the new Aiwa stuff conform to
    these "standards" ?
    
    My father has a Sony Midi system that does this as well. It connects
    up with Ribbon Cable, and does auto pause on the cassette recorder.
    Automatically changes source when you operate cassette, tuner etc.
    
    Stick with Aiwa then.
    
    Mark.
    
24.11Let AIWA fix it?SEDOAS::KORMANTGIFFri Aug 12 1988 14:549
    Why not take it up to AIWA to be fixed?
    
    
    Aiwa (UK) Ltd
    Dukes Industrial Estate
    Great West Road
    
    Dave K