Conference govt02::basingstoke

    I'm in the same boat as you.
    New Amiga and no one else to 'talk' to about it.
    I've also been thinking of getting a modem to play POPULOUS etc
    and joining Micronet - or whatever the hell it's called.
    
    Amy Owners - wherethehellareyou?
    With such a great little machine on offer surely there is more than
    2 owners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    By the way I have an unexpanded A500 with no extra nothing - yet.
    To coin a vomit-inducing phrase - a vanilla machine , and I thought
    it was called an AMIGA.
    
    Regards.

    
    Another Amiga owner sticks his head up.
    
    If you want to compare s/w lists, then give me a shout.
    
    Ian (The Crescent, Basingstoke).

 I've heard of an ETHERNET card being available in the states, but thought
    this was for the A/B 2000 series only. And at what price.
  
      I have considered a B2000 but the Bank Manager seemed to laugh too
    much for it to be viable.
    
    Being a self-admitted philistine I do enjoy (on the rare occasions
    I can actually sit down and make time for it) playing the odd game.
     I've obtained through my initial starter-pack and oodles of hard
    earned cash the following games :
    
    POPULOUS		-	No Amiga owner should be without one
    PALADIN		-	Once you get used to the instructions it's
   				great.
    STRIKE FORCE HARRIER-	How are you supposed to land?? Flight
    				Simulator.
    HELLBENT		-	Shoot'em up over scrolling landscapes.
    GOLDRUNNER		-	"	"	"	"	"
    BACKLASH		-	Exhilarating,heart pounding shoot'em
    				up.
    WINTER OLYMPICS	-	All that snow stuff etc.
    KARATE KID II	-	Kick-hell-out-of-eachother game.
    INTERNATIONAL SOCCER-	Footie
    STARGOOSE		-	Shoot'em up on 3d landscape
    I,LUDICRUS		- 	Complete Garbage	
    	                                                   
    I would be more than willing to temporarily exchange any (bar POPULOUS,
     until I,ve taken a copy) for something else I,ve not seen.
    
    I would like to try XENON II - a-crazy-apeshit-shoot'em-up-blast-
    everything-to-bits game so I'm informed.
    
     I've also collected a few useful PD games'n'bits'n'pieces etc 
    
    If you two guys would like to swap for a short while let me know.
    
    Regards
    
    Jon Evans
    7 849 3373
    
    p.s. I don't believe all other PC users can have opted for a <spit>
    ST or whatever you call them. Heathens.
    Mebbe no other users are aware of this conference entry or we're
    not aware of the one everyone else is using!!!!!
    

RE .4
>    Mebbe no other users are aware of this conference entry or we're
>    not aware of the one everyone else is using!!!!!
    
	You could try:

Amiga Home Computer             BOMBE::AMIGA                             1952
Amiga Usenet Newsgroups         FRAIS2::AMIGA_USENET                     1958
Amiga Usenet Tech Newsgroup     FRAIS2::AMIGA_TECH                       1959
Commodore Home Computers        DNEAST::COMMODORE                         628
comp.binaries.amiga (USENET)    FRAIS2::AMIGA_BINARIES                   2406
comp.sources.amiga (USENET)     FRAIS2::AMIGA_SOURCES                    2407
comp.SYS.amiga (USENET)         FRAIS2::AMIGA_SYS                        2408

re .4:

Of course when you copy the software you will have permission from the 
copyright owners?

Dave.

re .7

>Of course when you copy the software you will have permission from the 
>copyright owners?

My, my what a suspicious mind you have. I think that if you re-read 167.4 that
you will find that Jon is offering to lend or swap software for a short period
of time. The only reference to copying is of software he already owns for 
himself, this is presumably for backup purposes and does not require permission 
of the copyright holders.

Nigel

    Did I say copy - it was a typo - I meant backup - which surely is
    the same.
    
     If the original game and (as some games-designers ensure)
    documentation is necessary - am I breaking copyright if I copy the
    disk for my own purposes and do not lend the copy out ? 
    The point of the copy is in the event of a disk failure etc.
    
     I am not suggesting anyone breaks copyright.
    
     If I swap a complete original game and its documentation with another
    person for a different original game and its documentation - no
    money etc passes hands - does this violate copyright? 
    Once they are returned to their rightful owners and I liked the
    game I've now witnessed I would go out and buy it.
     
     I do not wish to become bogged down with the morals of the issue.
    
    I retract my open invitation (which I agree implied a certain lack
    of thought to the copyrighting issue), but a non-copyright-breaking
    offer still stands.
    
    Thank you for drawing my attention to it.
    
    Jon

    
>     If I swap a complete original game and its documentation with another
>    person for a different original game and its documentation - no
>    money etc passes hands - does this violate copyright? 
>    Once they are returned to their rightful owners and I liked the
>    game I've now witnessed I would go out and buy it.
 
      It depends what you bought.

	an example:

	A company buys the software.
	They buy the right to run that on x machines.
	They MAY also buy the right-to-copy, this includes the software and 
	documentation.
    
	You probabaly have the right to run,  not to sell, loan or copy.

	Imagine a small company buying VMS, and "swapping" it with another
	for MS/DOS.................	

>     I do not wish to become bogged down with the morals of the issue.

	It's not morals, it's law.

	Heather	    

re .11

	I think that there may be a confusion here over what has been bought. 
Digital for example does not sell software, we sell a license to use and copy
within certain restrictions. This is one reason why we sell the media &
documentation separately from the license to run.

	Most home computer software is bought outright, there is no question of
having a license to use it in some restrictive way. You are in exactly the same 
position as if you had bought a record or book. If you want to lend it you may, 
if you want to give it away you may, if you want to sell it you may. You may 
not however without infringing copyright make a copy of it and then lend, sell 
or give away that copy.

Nigel

    HEAR,HEAR
    
    BRAVO
    
    ENCORE,ENCORE.
    
    Jon.
    P.S. who was it who said the Law's an ASS ?

�P.S. who was it who said the Law's an ASS ?

Actually nobody. The quote from Dickens is "The Law is a ass"

:-)

/. Ian .\

    Well he didn't have a very good grasp of the English language, did
    he ?
    
  P.S. Should there be a Grammar Conference 'cause I've a question -
        What is a split infinitive ?

    Jon

    There again, what is an infinitive ?
    or should I use my Dictionary/thesauraus?

     Jon_who_obviously_never_attended_a_school_in_his_life.

re .14:

try VISA::JOYOFLEX 

they might even have an answer...

/. Ian .\

I think that

"To boldy go"

is a split infinitive,

So I presume that "To go" is an infinitive, and that "boldly" split it.

Mark