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Conference terri::tdl

Title:	TDL - To Do List handler

Moderator:	PLAYER::BROWNL

Created:	Thu Sep 30 1993
Last Modified:	Tue Dec 12 1995
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	102
Total number of notes:	424

88.0. "Insufficient memory" by SBPUS4::Mark () Wed Mar 31 1993 14:33

Wendy, as you know, uses TDl. She is, for some reason, besotted with it. She 
tells all her friends, show it to people and is generally very boring about 
the whole thing.

Imagine her surprise then, when it stops working !! I muscled off down there 
full of expertise, and I didn't fix it.

She has a 386, 5meg RAM, running DOS V5.0 and using QEMM.

After her network is installed the has a largest exec prog size of 610k. PFG, 
I thought.

Typically she would run Windows with about 6 sessions. Word with three or 
four documents open, Excel with 3 or 4 documents open, 2 cardfiles, a clock, 
and a couple of other things open. Progman/Help/About reckons there is 75% 
free resource. 

TDL has insufficient memory to run. Even with everything closed, everything 
removed from win.ini and running in standard mode (WIN/S) it  still says 
insufficient memory.

I know .120 is 30k smaller, but since I run TDL with only 500k or thereabouts 
free, and millions of windows, why is she having a problem ?

I shall be copying the latest version and taking it down there this 
afternoon, but any pointers would help.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
88.1	Very strange	SAC::EDMUNDS	Use the subjunctive!	`Wed Mar 31 1993 14:56`	12
	The amount of free memory under DOS is largely irrelevant as Windows uses memory differently. That, however, does not fix your problem. I'm intrtigued: I've not come across this at all during development or usage of TDL. At the risk of being boring, could you get the exact error message, and also tell me how it is displayed (is it a pop-up box, does Windows end and a DOS message appear, whatever?). Can you identify which application is giving the message? (Pgm mgr, Windows, TDL itself?) I don't honestly hold much hope of being able to fix it, but the more info the better.
88.2	Typos a speciality	SAC::EDMUNDS	Use the subjunctive!	`Wed Mar 31 1993 14:59`	1
	...and it's not often that I'm intrtigued, I'm pleased to say.
88.3		SAC::EDMUNDS	Use the subjunctive!	`Wed Mar 31 1993 15:00`	2
	If all else fails, copy her CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT to a floppy and post them here.
88.4		SBPUS4::Mark		`Wed Mar 31 1993 15:53`	23
	It's a pop-up box, and is being delivered by progman. It is the standard message you get if you open millions of windows. If you need the exact wording, I'll produce it on mine, but what is says is "There is insufficient memory to run (poss start) this application. Close one or more windows (poss apllications) and try again." This, when only progman is running. It doesn't drop to DOS and windows continues quite happily. In fact, immed. after receiving this error from tdl, you can start 1/2 dozen excel & word sessions. Maybe more, I got bored of trying and had proved my point. Also, resources used is, as I said, still low. As for the config.sys & autoexec.bat, if I completely fail, I'll bring them in. But there is really nothing peculiar at all. I'm going to try the latest version later. Is it possible that since Wendy has gone from an old(ish) version straight to 119 that teh conversion is asking for too much memory ? It doesn't bomb straight away, there is a delay of possibly 10 - 15 seconds as it tries to start up and tehn it dies. Nothing actually appears on the screen ? Maybe I'll try it having removed here database.
88.5		SAC::EDMUNDS	Use the subjunctive!	`Wed Mar 31 1993 16:04`	6
	The database...of course. Remember that there was incompatibility a few versions ago? I know Wendy went from an old version (X.114?) to the latest, but I can't remember when I did the non-upgradable change - it could well have been around then. Either way, certainly try it with no database.
88.6		SBPUS4::Mark		`Wed Mar 31 1993 17:13`	5
	Removing the database didn't help. I'm going to replace all the files and see what happens. Stumped of Solent.
88.7		SAC::EDMUNDS	Use the subjunctive!	`Fri Apr 02 1993 10:02`	1
	Update?
88.8		SBPUS4::Mark		`Fri Apr 02 1993 10:33`	6
	Still didn't help. Wendy is bringing the machine home at the weeekend, I'll sit at home and see how I get on, I'll let you know. M.
88.9		SAC::EDMUNDS	Use the subjunctive!	`Tue Apr 13 1993 11:18`	1
	Update?
88.10	Mayeb something else	BAHTAT::HILTON	Beer...now there's a temporary solution	`Thu Apr 22 1993 20:43`	8
	Post config.sys and autoexec, sometimes these kind of problems have nothing to do with the program that causes the error... Greg
88.11		SBPUS4::Mark		`Fri Apr 23 1993 11:44`	3
	the update is I've been ill. I'll get the config.sys and autoexec.bat today and post them.
88.12		PLAYER::BROWNL	Blimey, Another Right Tosspot	`Sun Apr 25 1993 20:31`	10
	Also, you might like to check what mode of windows she's using, and if it's 386 mode, check whether or not she has a permanent swap file enabled. With 5meg of memory, I'd suspect something around 10 meg of free, contiguous disk space is required. If she's not in 386 mode with a permanent swap file of at least 10 meg, (and she should be), I'll need to see autoexec.bat/config.sys and the output from mem/c. As Keef pointed out, free space in conventional DOS is largely irrelevant. What's happening in exten/expanded memory is much more important. Laurie.