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Conference terri::tdl

Title:TDL - To Do List handler
Moderator:PLAYER::BROWNL
Created:Thu Sep 30 1993
Last Modified:Tue Dec 12 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:102
Total number of notes:424

81.0. "reflect its contents..." by SAC::EDMUNDS (Who's a furry mouse curser, then?) Mon Dec 21 1992 10:33

    New version - X.115 - available. Copy

	sac::disk$user25:[edmunds]todolist.zip

    Unzip to your TDLFILES directory and follow the readme.txt (the only
    files existing users need are the *.tdl and tdl.exe files). Comments on
    the README.TXT file welcome. A proper installation procedure will come
    one day. Fixed and outstanding bugs as follows:

    Closed in X.115 
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    
    Overdue date colour not always correct - this is not actually fixed as
    I was unable to reproduce it. If anyone else experiences this, please
    let me know.

    Implement mono support - there is a Monochrome option on Preferences
    now. If selected, all text is in black; overdue dates are flagged with
    an asterisk, and items are indented according to priority.

    Accelator keys for Preferences form added

    Allow filename on command line - defaults are as before, but if TDL is
    started with a filename on the command line, that file is loaded
    instead as the database file. NOTE: expect this to change to
    "/d=file.typ" in a soon release (d=database). This will allow other
    command line options.

    Database name is now shown in the status bar when it is not describing
    button actions.

    Default double click action (Postpone) fixed.

    A number of bugs around the phonebook display have been fixed.

    Closed items display now works correctly

    Recognizes when the date changes, and updates display accordingly
    (useful if you leave TDL running overnight)

    Statistics button removed from button bar.

    .ZIP file produced with all necessary files included.

    README.TXT written.

    ABOUT section added. Note: all beta test versions (which is all there
    is right now) are registered shareware versions.

    Seconds removed from time display in title bar.

    Bug adding new item and dismissing phone dialogue box whilst it is
    blank fixed.

    Change caption on phonebook button from "OK" to "Close"

    Change version number to X.115

    Fixed spelling mistake in status bar for Telephone Button

    Button size reduced

    Status line moved to immediately below buttons

    Outstanding for X.115
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Multitple simultaneous databases open

    Alarms
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
81.1BugSAC::EDMUNDSWho's a furry mouse curser, then?Mon Dec 21 1992 11:182
    Database filename appears in title bar for closed items (and some
    others) - old code not removed.
81.2BugSAC::EDMUNDSWho's a furry mouse curser, then?Mon Dec 21 1992 11:191
    Selecting Display|To Do Items gives "illegal function call".
81.3PLAYER::BROWNLFault tolerance is for machinesTue Dec 22 1992 13:506
    Keefy,
    
    I tried to copy the aforementioned .ZIP, and discovered to my dismay
    that it's gone walkies...
    
    Laurie.
81.4SAC::EDMUNDSthree quartersTue Dec 22 1992 14:216
    That's because you're trying to copy it from disk$user25, whereas my
    account is on disk$user22:
    
    	sac::disk$user22:[edmunds]todolist.zip
    
    At least someone was prepared to try using it...
81.5PLAYER::BROWNLFault tolerance is for machinesTue Dec 22 1992 14:563
    Ahh, a trap to catch those naughty beta-testers!
    
    Lozzer.
81.6LARVAE::THAYER_SA beer and a chatTue Dec 22 1992 15:357
    I don't know Keith, what happened to the good old days when I was
    personally given a new copy of TDL on a floppy...!  How am I meant to
    handle all this network and zip file business...!
    
    Truth is, X.114 is just so good that I can't bring myself to upgrade!
    
    Susi
81.7SAC::EDMUNDSthree quartersTue Dec 22 1992 15:466
    Susi, I will personally knit you a floppy with TDL on it this evening.
    The ZIP file was, of course, meant only for the boys. X.114 may be
    good; truth is, '115 is better and, with a flourish of my wand, '116
    will be better still...
    
    K.
81.8LARVAE::THAYER_SA beer and a chatTue Dec 22 1992 15:527
    Thanks Keith, you know that we girls need all the help we can get,
    particularly where technology is concerned.
    
    Can we also have this readme business sung to us via our internal
    speakers so that we can dispense with all this reading business...!
    
    S
81.9SAC::EDMUNDSthree quartersTue Dec 22 1992 15:587
    How about if you post your to do list here and we boys will do all your
    actions for you? Then you can stay at home and watch Neighbours, cook,
    have babies, read Mills and Boon, etc...
    
    [For the benefit of those who have not met Susi, let me say that I am
    safely ensconsed in my Englishman's castle a good fifteen miles away
    from Her, which means I may get away with this...]
81.10LARVAE::THAYER_SA beer and a chatTue Dec 22 1992 16:1414
    But Keith, posting my to do list here would be even more difficult than
    the things we've already been discussing.  I mean, it's a miracle that
    I can even use Notes, let alone post a list here.  But if you're really
    interested I'll re-type it (once I've filed my nails).
    
    By the way, how can I lend you my Zircom if you're 15 miles away?
    
    And how come I get a capital letter ('from Her'), I am not used to such
    reverence and respect.
    
    Now, where did I put my curling tongs...
    
    S
    
81.11PLAYER::BROWNLFault tolerance is for machinesTue Dec 22 1992 16:493
    I dunno Keith. What did you expect giving something technical to a Gurl?
    
    Laurie.
81.12LARVAE::THAYER_SA beer and a chatTue Dec 22 1992 16:541
    Yep, he should have known better.
81.13SAC::EDMUNDSthree quartersTue Dec 22 1992 17:4410
    I knew - I just *knew* - it would be my fault. I labour away all my
    non-working hours on a stupid little visual basic proggy-woggy just so
    she can remember to feed the cat each day, and what do I get? Answer:
    an angry, emaciated cat each time a new bug comes up.
    
    Right then, I'm buying her a notebook (the paper variety) and pencil
    for Christmas. And I'm giving up programming in the New Year. And
    women. And drinking.
    
    main {printf ("\nKeith");} /* yes, I know the semicolon is redundant */
81.14LARVAE::THAYER_SA beer and a chatTue Dec 22 1992 17:4811
    Keith,
    
    Don't dispair, Thomas can cope with all of this (he's not a girl).
    
    However, he has an interesting TDL of his own vocal variety (it's
    called me-ah-ahow, I believe you have it on tape somewhere?!?)
    
    Perhaps you and he can confurr, for when you incorporate your
    multimedia extensions...
    
    S
81.15LARVAE::THAYER_SA beer and a chatTue Dec 22 1992 17:518
    And by the way, what makes you think Thomas is emaciated?  Some would
    say he's looking plump, but I reckon it's his furry wurry winter coat.
    
    Susi
    
    PS  Moderator, please would you change the title of this note to
    reflect its contents...
    
81.16SAC::EDMUNDSthree quartersTue Dec 22 1992 19:264
.15�    PS  Moderator, please would you change the title of this note to
.15�    reflect its contents...
    
    Your wish, etc.
81.17PLAYER::BROWNLFault tolerance is for machinesWed Dec 30 1992 10:285
    Keefy,
    
    It's *always* your fault.
    
    Laurie.
81.18PLAYER::BROWNLFault tolerance is for machinesWed Dec 30 1992 10:318
    And another thing...
    
    I don't know how it is you can pick on her like that... I mean, given
    that the average DLQ (Digital Literacy Quotient) inside DEC is
    somewhere between 1 and 2, and her's is clearly at least 9, she's
    obviously not as stupid as you've lead me to believe...
    
    Laurie.
81.19LARVAE::THAYER::ThomasOh dear, a ratThu Dec 31 1992 13:119
Thomas and Susi would like to wish all readers of this conference
a very HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Keith, we've found the Zircom!

Laurie, you sound truly charming, I do hope we'll have the pleasure
etc. etc.

S & T
81.20Prime gitSAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesSat Jan 02 1993 23:433
.19�Laurie, you sound truly charming
    
    ...but seeing is believing...
81.21Ask Watkins, he'll vouch for me...PLAYER::BROWNLFault tolerance is for machinesMon Jan 04 1993 13:394
    Don't listen to that balding ne'er-do-well, I AM truly charming. I look
    forward to meeting you too.
    
    Laurie.
81.22BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionMon Jan 04 1993 15:2510
    Keith,
    
    
    The readme.txt seems to have not been written in DOS.
    
    I used edit that came with DOS 5.0 and it didn't wrap any lines, ie
    they all shoot off to the right.
    
    
    Greg (also charming)
81.23But will you all turn into frogs when I kiss you?LARVAE::THAYER_SOh dear, what's that?!?Mon Jan 04 1993 15:499
Re .22

Did Keefey write it in Notepad, not for one minute expecting
anyone to read it??

S

Keith, by the way, I "sold" it to PH this morning, did he come
and ask you for a quote???
81.24SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesMon Jan 04 1993 17:0010
.23�Did Keefey write it in Notepad, not for one minute expecting
.23�anyone to read it??
    
    Exactly correct! Thanks Greg, I'll fix that.
    
    Didn't hear anything from Mr H, but I left the office at 14:35.
    
    Keith
    
    PS Standby: I now have a copy of VB2...
81.25LARVAE::THAYER_SOh dear, what's that?!?Mon Jan 04 1993 17:168
Keith, at the risk of being boring, (a novelty for me, I know), what
does your personal name mean?

S

PS  Does this mean we are getting X.116, which you promised WEEKS
ago?  What is going to be in it?  Can we have more Snoopy buttons?
Thomas buttons?  Button bar groups (as in OBJECTworks)?
81.26SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesMon Jan 04 1993 22:1513
    X.116? Oh, didn't I release that one? :-) 
    
    Thomas buttons? You'll want a knitting and sewing button next. And what
    are button bar groups, oh famous author?
    
    My personal name is a reference (and no-one has picked this up yet) to
    England all the time that Mr Brown in is Brussels.  OK OK, I'll change
    it soon.
    
    What do you (really) want in X.116 anyway? I've already tripled the
    number of features following you getting your grippers on TDL...
    
    K.
81.27SAC::EDMUNDSThomas runs in the Isle of Man (1,1,5)Mon Jan 04 1993 22:321
    Susi, this one any better?
81.28LARVAE::THAYER_SOh dear, what's that?!?Tue Jan 05 1993 08:2513
It's OK, the one thing that concerns me is that people might think
'TT' (as in 1,1) stands for 'Thomas Tank'.  

OBJECTworks lets you assign different button bars to different 
compound objects.  Why not have different button bars for different
TDLs... i.e, if I open my Thomas TDL all my buttons will be Thomas
buttons, if I open my work TDL I can have a different set of buttons,
if I open my outer space TDL I can have another set of buttons, etc.

How about split screen TDLs, i.e Thomas TDL in one window, work TDL in
another.

Susi
81.29SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesTue Jan 05 1993 09:083
    I've some blood in my arm: do you want that too?
    
    New Year's Resolution: don't give any software to girls.
81.30LARVAE::THAYER_SOh dear, what's that?!?Tue Jan 05 1993 09:265
You told me yesterday you weren't making any new year resolutions!

Don't tell me, girls drive you to drink as well.

S
81.31LARVAE::THAYER_SOh dear, what's that?!?Tue Jan 05 1993 15:007
    OK... a less demanding requirement:
    
    Speed up the TDL startup time.  At the moment it takes nearly as long
    for TDL to load as it does to start Windows.  After all, we don't all
    have posh 486s (do we Keith!)
    
    Susi    
81.32BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionWed Jan 06 1993 14:237
    re .31
    
    Yeh, good idea. Write it in machine code Keith, that'll speed it up.
    
    :^)
    
    Greg
81.33SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesWed Jan 06 1993 15:333
    One day I may port it to C. Then again, I may not... I'm sure taht will
    affect the startup time, but whether it improves it or not is a
    different matter.
81.34SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesFri Jan 08 1993 15:0331
    Need some agreement/argument over one thing.
    
    X.116 will support - amongst other things - alarms and multiple
    databases. I'd like some agreement or alternate suggestions over how to
    implement the automatic loading of multiple databases. Currentyl it
    works like this:
    
    	If a database is specified on the command line involking TDL, it is
    	loaded (eg, C:/PROGGIES/TDL C:/DATA/MYTDL.DAT loads MYTDL.DAT  as a
    	database). Sorry, can't do backslashes in eXcursion for some
    	reason.
    
    	If no datafile is specified on the command line, then TDLDATA.DAT
    	in C:/ or TDLFILES if defined is loaded. If a datafile is specified
    	on the command line, TDLDATA.DAT is only loaded if it exists (ie,
    	it is not created).
    
    Proposal:
    
    	TDLDATA.DAT will always be loaded unless /N is on the command line.
    
    	Multiple databases can be specified on the command line with
    	individual /D qualifiers, eg:
    
    		TDL /N /D=C:/data/tdl1.dat /D=m:/tdl2.dat
    
    		(the /D is a forward slash, the dirs are backslashes)
    
    Does that sound practical? Suggestions?
    
    Keith
81.35\\\\\\\\\\\\\HA HA HA\\\\\\\\\LARVAE::THAYER_SOh dear, what's that?!?Fri Jan 08 1993 15:146
\\\\ TEE HEE HEE\\\\\\ (I'm using eXcursion)

Keith, Sounds brill, Susi

PS  Have you checked your keyboard setup from the eXcursion control
panel?
81.36SBPUS4::MarkLife ? Don't talk to me about life.Fri Jan 08 1993 15:1726
What do you see the main use of multiple databases being ?

M.

p.s. In the true just_gone_christmas_spirit, I typed the following in        
     eXcursion for you to use at a later date...

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81.37LARVAE::THAYER::SusiOh dear, a ratFri Jan 08 1993 15:244
\W\h\e\r\e w\o\u\l\d K\e\i\t\h b\e w\i\t\h\o\u\t a\l\l h\i\s 
k\i\n\d f\r\i\e\n\d\s\?

i\s\u\S
81.38BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionFri Jan 08 1993 15:275
    Yeh,
    
    Why do you need more than one database? I don't.
    
    Greg
81.39SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesFri Jan 08 1993 15:346
    I want one for work and one for home use. So does Susi. I do everything
    she wants in an effort to impress her.
    
    Let's call it tacit agreement to my stunning suggestions, OK.
    
    ////what's wrong with my keyboard?////
81.40SBPUS4::MarkLife ? Don't talk to me about life.Fri Jan 08 1993 15:4012
Wouldn't using the same database, but perhaps colouring one type of entry
differently be better ?

Or perhaps a suffix/prefix/type of record on each line, stored in the one
database, which could be selected as a display option ? i.e. Display 
(P)ersonal, (W)ork or (B)oth ?

What will happen when your home one says phone the Gas Board at 11:00 and 
unfort. you're at work ?

I don't like the idea, and I do realise I don't have to use it, of having 
more that one database.
81.41what unexpected controversy!SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesFri Jan 08 1993 15:5322
.40�Wouldn't using the same database, but perhaps colouring one type of entry
.40�differently be better ?
    
    How many colours can you have??? I'm already using three. You can do
    this today using priorities...I don't understand any argument AGAINST
    multiple databases; like you say, you dont have to use them. I'm merely
    seeking a syntax for supporting them.
    
.40�What will happen when your home one says phone the Gas Board at 11:00 and 
.40�unfort. you're at work ?
    
    Then the alarm will go off (if the database is open). Alarms respond to
    all databases, not just the one displayed. The implementation at the
    moment (on my development version) is that all databases opened are
    displayed by name under the File menu. The currently displayed database
    has a check mark (tick) by it, and the current db can be changed from
    that menu.                                                                
    
.40�I don't like the idea, 
    
    I accept you may not want to use it (who DOES use all the features of
    TDL???), but do you have anything against it per se?
81.42LARVAE::THAYER::SusiOh dear, a ratFri Jan 08 1993 15:5511
> Or perhaps a suffix/prefix/type of record on each line, stored in the one
> database, which could be selected as a display option ? i.e. Display 
> (P)ersonal, (W)ork or (B)oth ?

Now that idea I do like, as long as the display could be selectable.

Can we have (P)ersonal, (W)ork and (O)ther please?

\ o  o /
   /\
  \__/
81.43SBPUS4::MarkLife ? Don't talk to me about life.Fri Jan 08 1993 16:0110
Do you have to open all the databases separately ? i.e. Home one, office one, 
other one etc etc ? (To get the alarms bit, I mean)

>    I accept you may not want to use it (who DOES use all the features of
>    TDL???), but do you have anything against it per se?

Yes. It seems unnecc. complex to have more files. From the trivial - you have 
to remember their names/location to the one more file to lose/delete/etc.

To turn it around, what does it give you ?
81.45BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionMon Jan 11 1993 09:033
    But Keith, we are trying to save you development time.
    
    Greg
81.46SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesMon Jan 11 1993 10:115
    Sorry, TDL fans: didn't get nearly as much done over the weekend as
    I'd hoped (spent too much time in the rain fixing the aeroplane). Some
    day soon...
    
    K.
81.47SAC::EDMUNDSNo heavy lorriesMon Jan 11 1993 22:215
.31�    Speed up the TDL startup time.  
    
    I've had some thoughts on this one, Ms Thayer. It won't change in the
    immediate future, but, like I say, I have some ideas for speeding it
    up.
81.48X.116?LARVAE::THAYER::SusiThomas is a new age MedusaMon Jan 18 1993 15:297
When is X.116 hitting the streets?  You've been testing it for 
a few days now...!

(I'll buy you a coffee).

Susi

81.49SAC::EDMUNDSno comment yetMon Jan 18 1993 15:424
    Need to do a little more tidying up. Around a week or so, unless I get
    very enthusiastic one evening (oo-er missus).
    
    Keith$smug_X.116_user
81.50LARVAE::THAYER::SusiThomas is a new age MedusaWed Jan 27 1993 13:334
It's now around a week or so later.  Users are getting stroppy!
Where is it?  (Stop playing with your fax, Edmunds!!!)

Susi
81.51SAC::EDMUNDSEvery girl wants a nice cuddly sealionWed Jan 27 1993 14:163
    My laptop modem works. I'm using it now.
    
    CleverKeith
81.52LARVAE::THAYER_SThomas is a new age Medusa!Wed Jan 27 1993 14:531
    Yes, but, what, about, my, new, version, of, TDL, ?,
81.53SAC::EDMUNDSEvery girl wants a nice cuddly sealionWed Jan 27 1993 15:331
    Yum. Soon. Ish.
81.54LARVAE::THAYER_SThomas is a new age Medusa!Tue Feb 02 1993 15:5828
    Hello Keith.
    
    How are you?
    
    It's the 2nd of February.
    
    I like TDL.
    
    How are you?
    
    Busy?
    
    I like TDL.
    
    Thomas likes TDL.
    
    It's February now.
    
    Had a lot on recently?
    
    Thomas says "hi".  (Actually he doesn't but that's another story...)
    
    How are you?
    
    Keep in touch.
    
    Susi
    
81.55SAC::EDMUNDSEvery girl wants a nice cuddly sealionWed Feb 03 1993 00:161
    Who's Thomas?
81.56LARVAE::THAYER_SThomas is a new age Medusa!Wed Feb 03 1993 10:111
    A Tank Engine, who did you think he was?
81.57SAC::EDMUNDSEvery girl wants a nice cuddly sealionWed Feb 03 1993 10:241
    A new age Medusa?
81.58PLAYER::BROWNLDon't mention the rugbyTue Feb 09 1993 14:223
    Is this the BARFUP::HUGGY_WUGGY_FRENDLY_WENDLY conference or what?
    
    Laurie.
81.59LARVAE::THAYER_SYear of the CatWed Feb 10 1993 08:283
    Don't be horrid!
    
    S