Conference terri::tdl

    Database filename appears in title bar for closed items (and some
    others) - old code not removed.

    Selecting Display|To Do Items gives "illegal function call".

    Keefy,
    
    I tried to copy the aforementioned .ZIP, and discovered to my dismay
    that it's gone walkies...
    
    Laurie.

    That's because you're trying to copy it from disk$user25, whereas my
    account is on disk$user22:
    
    	sac::disk$user22:[edmunds]todolist.zip
    
    At least someone was prepared to try using it...

    Ahh, a trap to catch those naughty beta-testers!
    
    Lozzer.

    I don't know Keith, what happened to the good old days when I was
    personally given a new copy of TDL on a floppy...!  How am I meant to
    handle all this network and zip file business...!
    
    Truth is, X.114 is just so good that I can't bring myself to upgrade!
    
    Susi

    Susi, I will personally knit you a floppy with TDL on it this evening.
    The ZIP file was, of course, meant only for the boys. X.114 may be
    good; truth is, '115 is better and, with a flourish of my wand, '116
    will be better still...
    
    K.

    Thanks Keith, you know that we girls need all the help we can get,
    particularly where technology is concerned.
    
    Can we also have this readme business sung to us via our internal
    speakers so that we can dispense with all this reading business...!
    
    S

    How about if you post your to do list here and we boys will do all your
    actions for you? Then you can stay at home and watch Neighbours, cook,
    have babies, read Mills and Boon, etc...
    
    [For the benefit of those who have not met Susi, let me say that I am
    safely ensconsed in my Englishman's castle a good fifteen miles away
    from Her, which means I may get away with this...]

    But Keith, posting my to do list here would be even more difficult than
    the things we've already been discussing.  I mean, it's a miracle that
    I can even use Notes, let alone post a list here.  But if you're really
    interested I'll re-type it (once I've filed my nails).
    
    By the way, how can I lend you my Zircom if you're 15 miles away?
    
    And how come I get a capital letter ('from Her'), I am not used to such
    reverence and respect.
    
    Now, where did I put my curling tongs...
    
    S
    

    I dunno Keith. What did you expect giving something technical to a Gurl?
    
    Laurie.

    Yep, he should have known better.

    I knew - I just *knew* - it would be my fault. I labour away all my
    non-working hours on a stupid little visual basic proggy-woggy just so
    she can remember to feed the cat each day, and what do I get? Answer:
    an angry, emaciated cat each time a new bug comes up.
    
    Right then, I'm buying her a notebook (the paper variety) and pencil
    for Christmas. And I'm giving up programming in the New Year. And
    women. And drinking.
    
    main {printf ("\nKeith");} /* yes, I know the semicolon is redundant */

    Keith,
    
    Don't dispair, Thomas can cope with all of this (he's not a girl).
    
    However, he has an interesting TDL of his own vocal variety (it's
    called me-ah-ahow, I believe you have it on tape somewhere?!?)
    
    Perhaps you and he can confurr, for when you incorporate your
    multimedia extensions...
    
    S

    And by the way, what makes you think Thomas is emaciated?  Some would
    say he's looking plump, but I reckon it's his furry wurry winter coat.
    
    Susi
    
    PS  Moderator, please would you change the title of this note to
    reflect its contents...
    

.15�    PS  Moderator, please would you change the title of this note to
.15�    reflect its contents...
    
    Your wish, etc.

    Keefy,
    
    It's *always* your fault.
    
    Laurie.

    And another thing...
    
    I don't know how it is you can pick on her like that... I mean, given
    that the average DLQ (Digital Literacy Quotient) inside DEC is
    somewhere between 1 and 2, and her's is clearly at least 9, she's
    obviously not as stupid as you've lead me to believe...
    
    Laurie.

Thomas and Susi would like to wish all readers of this conference
a very HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Keith, we've found the Zircom!

Laurie, you sound truly charming, I do hope we'll have the pleasure
etc. etc.

S & T

.19�Laurie, you sound truly charming
    
    ...but seeing is believing...

    Don't listen to that balding ne'er-do-well, I AM truly charming. I look
    forward to meeting you too.
    
    Laurie.

    Keith,
    
    
    The readme.txt seems to have not been written in DOS.
    
    I used edit that came with DOS 5.0 and it didn't wrap any lines, ie
    they all shoot off to the right.
    
    
    Greg (also charming)

Re .22

Did Keefey write it in Notepad, not for one minute expecting
anyone to read it??

S

Keith, by the way, I "sold" it to PH this morning, did he come
and ask you for a quote???

.23�Did Keefey write it in Notepad, not for one minute expecting
.23�anyone to read it??
    
    Exactly correct! Thanks Greg, I'll fix that.
    
    Didn't hear anything from Mr H, but I left the office at 14:35.
    
    Keith
    
    PS Standby: I now have a copy of VB2...

Keith, at the risk of being boring, (a novelty for me, I know), what
does your personal name mean?

S

PS  Does this mean we are getting X.116, which you promised WEEKS
ago?  What is going to be in it?  Can we have more Snoopy buttons?
Thomas buttons?  Button bar groups (as in OBJECTworks)?

    X.116? Oh, didn't I release that one? :-) 
    
    Thomas buttons? You'll want a knitting and sewing button next. And what
    are button bar groups, oh famous author?
    
    My personal name is a reference (and no-one has picked this up yet) to
    England all the time that Mr Brown in is Brussels.  OK OK, I'll change
    it soon.
    
    What do you (really) want in X.116 anyway? I've already tripled the
    number of features following you getting your grippers on TDL...
    
    K.

    Susi, this one any better?

It's OK, the one thing that concerns me is that people might think
'TT' (as in 1,1) stands for 'Thomas Tank'.  

OBJECTworks lets you assign different button bars to different 
compound objects.  Why not have different button bars for different
TDLs... i.e, if I open my Thomas TDL all my buttons will be Thomas
buttons, if I open my work TDL I can have a different set of buttons,
if I open my outer space TDL I can have another set of buttons, etc.

How about split screen TDLs, i.e Thomas TDL in one window, work TDL in
another.

Susi

    I've some blood in my arm: do you want that too?
    
    New Year's Resolution: don't give any software to girls.

You told me yesterday you weren't making any new year resolutions!

Don't tell me, girls drive you to drink as well.

S

    OK... a less demanding requirement:
    
    Speed up the TDL startup time.  At the moment it takes nearly as long
    for TDL to load as it does to start Windows.  After all, we don't all
    have posh 486s (do we Keith!)
    
    Susi    

    re .31
    
    Yeh, good idea. Write it in machine code Keith, that'll speed it up.
    
    :^)
    
    Greg

    One day I may port it to C. Then again, I may not... I'm sure taht will
    affect the startup time, but whether it improves it or not is a
    different matter.

    Need some agreement/argument over one thing.
    
    X.116 will support - amongst other things - alarms and multiple
    databases. I'd like some agreement or alternate suggestions over how to
    implement the automatic loading of multiple databases. Currentyl it
    works like this:
    
    	If a database is specified on the command line involking TDL, it is
    	loaded (eg, C:/PROGGIES/TDL C:/DATA/MYTDL.DAT loads MYTDL.DAT  as a
    	database). Sorry, can't do backslashes in eXcursion for some
    	reason.
    
    	If no datafile is specified on the command line, then TDLDATA.DAT
    	in C:/ or TDLFILES if defined is loaded. If a datafile is specified
    	on the command line, TDLDATA.DAT is only loaded if it exists (ie,
    	it is not created).
    
    Proposal:
    
    	TDLDATA.DAT will always be loaded unless /N is on the command line.
    
    	Multiple databases can be specified on the command line with
    	individual /D qualifiers, eg:
    
    		TDL /N /D=C:/data/tdl1.dat /D=m:/tdl2.dat
    
    		(the /D is a forward slash, the dirs are backslashes)
    
    Does that sound practical? Suggestions?
    
    Keith

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Keith, Sounds brill, Susi

PS  Have you checked your keyboard setup from the eXcursion control
panel?

What do you see the main use of multiple databases being ?

M.

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    Yeh,
    
    Why do you need more than one database? I don't.
    
    Greg

    I want one for work and one for home use. So does Susi. I do everything
    she wants in an effort to impress her.
    
    Let's call it tacit agreement to my stunning suggestions, OK.
    
    ////what's wrong with my keyboard?////

Wouldn't using the same database, but perhaps colouring one type of entry
differently be better ?

Or perhaps a suffix/prefix/type of record on each line, stored in the one
database, which could be selected as a display option ? i.e. Display 
(P)ersonal, (W)ork or (B)oth ?

What will happen when your home one says phone the Gas Board at 11:00 and 
unfort. you're at work ?

I don't like the idea, and I do realise I don't have to use it, of having 
more that one database.

.40�Wouldn't using the same database, but perhaps colouring one type of entry
.40�differently be better ?
    
    How many colours can you have??? I'm already using three. You can do
    this today using priorities...I don't understand any argument AGAINST
    multiple databases; like you say, you dont have to use them. I'm merely
    seeking a syntax for supporting them.
    
.40�What will happen when your home one says phone the Gas Board at 11:00 and 
.40�unfort. you're at work ?
    
    Then the alarm will go off (if the database is open). Alarms respond to
    all databases, not just the one displayed. The implementation at the
    moment (on my development version) is that all databases opened are
    displayed by name under the File menu. The currently displayed database
    has a check mark (tick) by it, and the current db can be changed from
    that menu.                                                                
    
.40�I don't like the idea, 
    
    I accept you may not want to use it (who DOES use all the features of
    TDL???), but do you have anything against it per se?

> Or perhaps a suffix/prefix/type of record on each line, stored in the one
> database, which could be selected as a display option ? i.e. Display 
> (P)ersonal, (W)ork or (B)oth ?

Now that idea I do like, as long as the display could be selectable.

Can we have (P)ersonal, (W)ork and (O)ther please?

\ o  o /
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Do you have to open all the databases separately ? i.e. Home one, office one, 
other one etc etc ? (To get the alarms bit, I mean)

>    I accept you may not want to use it (who DOES use all the features of
>    TDL???), but do you have anything against it per se?

Yes. It seems unnecc. complex to have more files. From the trivial - you have 
to remember their names/location to the one more file to lose/delete/etc.

To turn it around, what does it give you ?

    But Keith, we are trying to save you development time.
    
    Greg

    Sorry, TDL fans: didn't get nearly as much done over the weekend as
    I'd hoped (spent too much time in the rain fixing the aeroplane). Some
    day soon...
    
    K.

.31�    Speed up the TDL startup time.  
    
    I've had some thoughts on this one, Ms Thayer. It won't change in the
    immediate future, but, like I say, I have some ideas for speeding it
    up.

When is X.116 hitting the streets?  You've been testing it for 
a few days now...!

(I'll buy you a coffee).

Susi

    Need to do a little more tidying up. Around a week or so, unless I get
    very enthusiastic one evening (oo-er missus).
    
    Keith$smug_X.116_user

It's now around a week or so later.  Users are getting stroppy!
Where is it?  (Stop playing with your fax, Edmunds!!!)

Susi

    My laptop modem works. I'm using it now.
    
    CleverKeith

    Yes, but, what, about, my, new, version, of, TDL, ?,

    Yum. Soon. Ish.

    Hello Keith.
    
    How are you?
    
    It's the 2nd of February.
    
    I like TDL.
    
    How are you?
    
    Busy?
    
    I like TDL.
    
    Thomas likes TDL.
    
    It's February now.
    
    Had a lot on recently?
    
    Thomas says "hi".  (Actually he doesn't but that's another story...)
    
    How are you?
    
    Keep in touch.
    
    Susi
    

    Who's Thomas?

    A Tank Engine, who did you think he was?

    A new age Medusa?

    Is this the BARFUP::HUGGY_WUGGY_FRENDLY_WENDLY conference or what?
    
    Laurie.

    Don't be horrid!
    
    S