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Title:VAX MAILGATE for MEMO
Moderator:STKHLM::OLSSON
Created:Sat Feb 25 1989
Last Modified:Tue May 14 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:216
Total number of notes:933

205.0. "Sender Information missing in V3.1 from MEMO Users" by ZPOVC::CHIKLIAK () Thu Dec 15 1994 08:59

Hi,

I need information to support our customer. Can anyone assist? I have posted 
this information to ALLIN1 :




               <<< IOSG::USER3:[NOTES$LIBRARY]ALL-IN-1.NOTE;4 >>>
                     -< ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference >-
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Note 550.0     Sender Information missing in V3.1 from MEMO Users      4 replies
ZPOVC::CHIKLIAK                                     234 lines  12-DEC-1994 09:50
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Hi,

I have an urgent problem which I am trying to assist a customer which does not
make sense.

Allin1 V3.1 (Singapore)
Allin1 V3.0 (Hong Kong)
Memo   V3.1??? (Sweden, DEC European Assets, according to the customer)

Because it is a problem in Singapore, I am trying to assist the customer.

Symptons :-

Case 1 :

From the Memo System, a mail was sent out to ALLIN1 V3.0 system, the receipent,
was able to see the message was from which user. After upgrading to ALLIN1 V3.1
and its message router to 3.3A, the customer is able to receive mail message
but fail to see who the sender is. Therefore, there is no way the end-user
can replied to the sender. This does not happen if ALLIN1 V3.0 sender sends a
message to ALLIN1 V3.1 users. 

Because of this, the customer needs some indication what could have gone 
wrong...


Case 2 : 

From the Memo System, a mail was sent out to ALLIN1 V3.0 user in H.K and if this
message was autoforward to Singapore, the end-user here with V3.1 can see who 
was the sender (from both ALLIN1 V3.0 and Memo).

It seems like the problems only occur if message are sent directly from Memo
system to ALLIN1 v3.1 users with Message Router 3.3A installed. If ALLIN1 V3.1
user sents a message to Memo system, the sender name appears. So what could
have gone wrong???


Here is the NBS file :

From MEMO to ALLIN1 V3.1 user :

000007	1	MSG[V2ENV]   Len=0004B9
00000E  2	    FIELD[MID]	Len=00001E
000010	3		ASCII  Len=00001C
			    "65911090214991/462798@IIS001
000033	2	    FIELD[PDATE]   Len=000012
000035	3		DATE   Len=000010
000037	4		    ASCII   Len=00000E
				"19941209011956
00004C	2	    FIELD[SENDER]   Len=000097
000053	3	      	ENT[NAME]   Len=000090
000059	4		    SEQ   Len=000030
000060	5			ATTR[ORGANTN]	Len=000005
000062	6			    ASCII   Len=000003
					"IO6
00006C	5			ATTR[PNAME]   Len=00001D
000073	6			    ATTR[SURNAME]   Len=000016
000075	7				ASCII   Len=000014
					    "ALLIN1 ADMINISTRATOR
00008F	4		    SEQ   Len=000054
000096	5			ATTR[TEL]   Len=00000F
000098	6			    ASCII   Len=00000D
					"(852) 8332837
0000AC	5			ATTR[LOCATION]   Len=00000A
0000AE	6			    ASCII   Len=000008
					"HONGKONG
0000BD	5			ATTR[ROUTE]   Len=000014
0000C3	6			    SEQ   Len=00000E
0000C5	7				ASCII   Len=000006
					    "IIS001
0000CD	7				ASCII   Len=000004
					    "MEMO
0000D8	5			ATTR[USERID]   Len=00000B
0000DA	6			    ASCII   Len=000009
					"IKEA.MAHB
0000EA	2	    FIELD[TO]   Len=0000A7
0000F0	3		SEQ   Len=0000A1
0000F7	4		   ENT[NAME]   Len=00009A
0000FD	5			SEQ   Len=000000
000103	5			SEQ   Len=000073
00010A	6			    ATTR[DOMDEFINED]   Len=00004B
000110	7				SET   Len=000045
000117	8				    ATTR[EXTDDA]   Len=00003E
00011D	9					SEQ   Len=000019
000124 10					    ATTR[DDATYPE] Len=000008
000126 11						ASCII   Len=000006
							    "MRMRLP
000133 10					    ATTR[DDAVALUE]   Len=000003
000135 11					        ASCII   Len=000001
							    "1
00013C 	9					SEQ   Len=000019
000143 10					    ATTR[DDATYPE]   Len=000008
000145 11						ASCII   Len=000006
							    "MRMDRQ
000152 10					    ATTR[DDAVALUE]   Len=000003
000154 11						ASCII   Len=000001
							    "1
00015C	6		    ATTR[ROUTE]   Len=00000A
000162  7			SEQ   Len=000004	 
000164	8			    ASCII   Len=000002
				        "A1
00016D 	6		    ATTR[USERID]   Len=000009
00016F	7			ASCII   Len=000007
				    "MANAGER
00017D	5		    ATTR[PERRECFLG]   Len=000007
000180	6			BITS[%00]   Len=000004
				    %D0000000
00018B	5		    ATTR[EXTENTNID]   Len=000006
00018D	6			INT   Len=000004
				   %00000001
00019A	2	FIELD[UACONTID]   Len=000012
00019C	3	    ASCII   Len=000010
			"3JeEqyUcaMfq5PBM
0001B5	2	FIELD[PERMSGFLG]   Len=000007
0001B8	3	    BITS[%00]   Len=000004
			%10000000
0001C5	2	FIELD[ITRACE]   Len=00008A
0001CB	3	    SEQ   Len=00003F
0001D4	4		FIELD[MTA]   Len=000008
0001D6	5		    ASCII   Len=000006
				"OMFE01
0001E5	4		FIELD[ARVDATE]   Len=000016
0001EB  5		    DATE   Len=000010
0001ED	6			ASCII   Len=00000E
				    "19941209082044
000204	4		FIELD[ACTION]   Len=000006
000206	5		    INT   Len=000004
				%00000000
000210	3	    SEQ   Len=00003F
000219	4		FIELD[MTA]   Len=000008
00021B	5		    ASCII   Len=000006
				"IIS001
00022A	4		FIELD[ARVDATE]   Len=000016
000230	5		    DATE   Len=000010
000232	6			ASCII   Len=00000E
				    "19941209011956
000249	4		FIELD[ACTION]   Len=000006
00024B	5		    INT   Len=000004
				%00000000
000258	2	FIELD[CONTENTDIA]   Len=000006
00025A	3	    INT   Len=000004					
			%00000002
000267	2	FIELD[HOPCOUNT]   Len=000006
000269	3	    INT   Len=000004
			%00000002
000274	2	MSG[V2CONT]   Len=00024C
00027D	3	    FIELD[APPMID]   Len=000012
00027F	4		ASCII   Len=000010
			    "3JeEqyUcaMfq5PBM
000296	3	    FIELD[FROM]   Len=000097
00029D	4		ENT[NAME]   Len=000090
0002A3	5		    SEQ   Len=000030
0002AA	6			ATTR[ORGANTN] Len=000005
0002AC	7			    ASCII   Len=000003
					"I06
0002B6	6			ATTR[PNAME]   Len=00001D
0002BD	7			    ATTR[SURNAME]   len=000016
0002BF 	8			   	ASCII   Len=000014
					    "ALLIN1 ADMINISTRATOR
0002D9	5		    SEQ   Len=000054
0002E0	6			ATTR[TEL]   Len=00000F
0002E2	7			    ASCII   Len=00000D
					"(852) 8332837
0002F6	6			ATTR[LOCATION]   Len=00000A
0002F8	7			    ASCII   Len=000008
					"HONGKONG
000307	6			ATTR[ROUTE]   Len=000014
00030D	7			    SEQ   Len=00000E
00030F	8				ASCII   Len=000006
					    "IIS001
000317	8				ASCII   Len=000004
					    "MEMO
000322	6			ATTR[USERID]   Len=00000B
000324	7			    ASCII   Len=000009
					"IKEA.MAHB
000334	3	FIELD[TO]   Len=0000A2
00033A	4	    SEQ   Len=00009C
000341	5		ENT[NAME]   Len=000095
000347	6		    SEQ   Len=000000
00034D	6		    SEQ   Len=00007B
000354	7			ATTR[DOMDEFINED]   Len=00004B
00035A	8			    SET   Len=000045
000361	9				ATTR[EXTDDA]   Len=00003E
000367					    SEQ   Len=000019
00036E	11					ATTR[DDATYPE]   Len=000000
000370	12					    ASCII   Len=000006
							"MRMRLP
00037D	11					ATTR[DDAVALUE]   Len=000003
00037F	12					    ASCII Len=000001
							"1
000386	10				    SEQ   Len=000019
00038D	11					ATTR[DDATYPE]   Len=00000
00038F 	12					    ASCII   Len=000006
							"MRMDRQ
00039C	11					ATTR[DDAVALUE]   Len=000003
00039E	12					    ASCII   Len=000001
							"1
0003A6	7			ATTR[ROUTE]   Len=000012
0003AC	8			    SEQ   Len=00000C
0003AE	9			      ASCII   Len=000006
					  "OMFE01
0003B6	9			      ASCII   Len=00002
					  "A1
0003BF	7			ATTR[USERID]   Len=000009
0003C1	8			    ASCII   Len=000007
					"MANAGER
0003CF	6			ATTR[REPORTREQ]   Len=000007
0003D2	7			    BITS[%00]   Len=000004
					%80000000
0003DD	3	FIELD[SUBJ]    Len=000010
0003DF	4	    ASCII   Len=00000E
			"testtest
0003F4	3	FIELD[PDATE]   Len=000012
0003F6	4	    DATE   Len=000010
0003F8	5		ASCII   Len=00000E
			    "19941209001700
00040D	3	VEND[RRECPT]   Len=000000
000414	3	FIELD[ATTACH]   Len=0000AC
00041B	4	    MSG[TEXT]   Len=0000A5
000421	5		ASCII   Len=00009F
			    "--- Received from IKEA.MAHB (852) 8332837
      94-12-09 01.17
			    "  -> VAX.MANAGER..A1..OMFE01
			    "  -: ----------------------> VAX USER IN NETK 
IKEAMAIL	
		            "hi
0004C0	0End of file
    
    
Thanks in advance for any indication...
    
    CT
    		 					
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Note 550.1     Sender Information missing in V3.1 from MEMO Users         1 of 4
CSOA1::LENNIG "Dave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYO"              18 lines  12-DEC-1994 13:54
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    The gateway between Memo and MR is not putting a Freeformname element
    with the P2 'From' information.
    
    Due to some things that went on behind the scenes in order for 'old'
    (ie pre-V3.1) versions of ALL-IN-1 to interwork with MR, the surname
    attribute that _is_ present in the Memo messages used to be presented
    to 'old' ALL-IN-1s as the equivalent of freeformname. Since V3.1 now
    uses an up-to-date interface to MR, this no longer occurs.
    
    I suggest you raise the issue with the Memo gwy folk; they need to put
    a real FreeFormName element on the message instead of (incorrectly)
    putting this information in the Surname field; doing so will result in
    the information being visible to both 'old' and 'new' ALL-IN-1.
    
    Note: The surname field has a very specific use in messages (part of the 
    X400 'personal name' attributes) and should not be loaded with ad hoc info.
    
    Dave
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Note 550.2     Sender Information missing in V3.1 from MEMO Users         2 of 4
IOSG::MARSHALL "A glitch in reality"                 10 lines  12-DEC-1994 14:49
            -< Would missing freeformname prevent replies working? >-
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Dave,

The "missing freeformname" problem, which you've highlighted in other notes
as well, occurred to me too.  But the base note says that the problem is that
the V3.1 system cannot reply to the messages, which implies that there is more
wrong that just the missing freeformname.

However, the rest of the address appears to be intact, so I'm at a loss...

Scott
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Note 550.3     Sender Information missing in V3.1 from MEMO Users         3 of 4
CSOA1::LENNIG "Dave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYO"              11 lines  12-DEC-1994 16:24
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    Scott,
    
    No, the missing freeformname shouldn't prevent replying.
    
    I discounted that part of .0 (subject to further postings) as possibly
    distorted customer//note-author communication.
    
    Even if there is a reply problem, it doesn't affect the validity of my 
    comments/recommendations re: MR/MEMO and surname vs freeformname.
    
    	Dave
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Note 550.4     Sender Information missing in V3.1 from MEMO Users         4 of 4
ZPOVC::CHIKLIAK                                      16 lines  15-DEC-1994 07:18
                                 -< Thanks... >-
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    Hi,
    
    Thanks for all your quick response. 
    
    I make a mistake. The user (ALLIN1 V3.1) were able to reply to MEMO
    users, but the user do not know who they are replying to.
    
    Does anyone knows whether which version of VAX MAILGATE for MEMO
    (MRMEMO) does work with P2 compliance or MR 3.3a/ALLIN1 V3.1.
    
    I will post this also on MRMEMO conference and EOASSETS since it is an 
    Europen asset.
    
    Thanks in advance...
    
    CT  



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205.1Fix will be producedSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeTue Jan 10 1995 14:4012
    
    Hi,
    
    Sorry for the delay, I was unaware that this was discussed here...
    
    I have agreed with the customer (IKEA here in Sweden) that we provide a
    fix that fills information in FREEFORM. Should be available in Jan 1995
    (that's what I told them)
    
    	cheers,
    
    		Stefan