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Conference virke::mrmemo

Title:VAX MAILGATE for MEMO
Moderator:STKHLM::OLSSON
Created:Sat Feb 25 1989
Last Modified:Tue May 14 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:216
Total number of notes:933

68.0. "MEMO DDAs cause MR/X interworking problem" by MUDIS3::RROSENBERGER (Rainer Rosenberger @MFR, PZ-SOGY) Mon Jan 28 1991 15:11

We have a problem when sending from MEMO to X.400 using DDAs in the address.
Partially this might be a MRX problem, but the sending (with the DDS subscriber
below) works for  * ALL *  other UAs and gateways. 

The problem is caused by the use of DDAs of the memo gateway (other gateways 
make only use of INTDDAs). We try to send to an Form 1.3 address with DDAs.
When MRX receives the NBS file the it will find DDAs as well in the SAs and 
the ROUTE/USERID. Therefore MRX rejects the message. 

I  didn't test it with Form 1.1 addressing but the problem might be the same.

Regards,

Rainer
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	Organizational unit		: VUSCLU
	Given name			: Fax
	Surname				: Digital
	Name				: Fax Digital
	Reverse lookup			: 1=DE@2=EMSA1@11=008932492525@*SERVICE\FAX@MTA_CLU@REFVUS
	MR S location			: A1ATCB13
	MR S user name			: FAXMFR
	MR P user name			: FAXMFR
	MR P location			: GYVUS
	Master copy owning node		: REFVUS
	MHS/VMS address number		: 1
		MHS/VMS address part	: REFVUS
		MHS mailbox		: MTA_CLU
		MHS User identifier	: 1=DE@2=EMSA1@11=008932492525@*SERVICE\FAX
 
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28JAN91 11:36:18.90 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-RTSMRFETC,  has fetched from message router mailbox MTA_CLU into file DISK$USER:[MB$.MRX]483.NBS
28JAN91 11:36:19.06 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STAMSGTRN, Started message translation
28JAN91 11:36:20.86 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-W-WASPRESENT, Node to be inserted in tree is already present
28JAN91 11:36:20.96 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	-MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is DOMAINDEFINEDATTRIBUTELIST
28JAN91 11:36:21.06 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is DOMAINDEFINEDATTRIBUTELIST
28JAN91 11:36:21.16 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is DOMDEF
28JAN91 11:36:21.27 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is DOMDEFINED
28JAN91 11:36:21.37 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is MRDDATTRIBUTELIST
28JAN91 11:36:21.48 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is RECIPIENTINFO2
28JAN91 11:36:21.60 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is RECIPIENTINFO
28JAN91 11:36:21.70 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is RECIPIENTITEM
28JAN91 11:36:21.81 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is USERMPDU
28JAN91 11:36:21.91 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is USERMPDU
28JAN91 11:36:22.02 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is USERMPDU
28JAN91 11:36:22.12 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is MPDU
28JAN91 11:36:22.28 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STATEIS, Parser state is MPDU
28JAN91 11:36:22.74 E032 1_REFVUS_0000277F 
	%MRX-I-STANDNGEN, Started non-delivery notification generation

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68.1Try undocumented switchSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de ProblemeTue Jan 29 1991 11:4731
    
    Rainer,
    
    I don't know if this will help but there is an undocumented way of turning
    off the generation of DDA:s. This however will affect the way MRMEMO
    can map notification messages to the original.
    
    You enable this server switch as follows:
    
    MRMMAN> DEFINE/NODOMAIN_DEFINED_ATTRIBUTES
    
    To disable it, obviously:
    
    MRMMAN> DEFINE/DOMAIN_DEFINED_ATTRIBUTES
    
    When /NODOMAIN is set then a LIST command will generate:
    
    MRMMAN> LIST
    
    .
    .
    .
      Send Notifications:      Enabled
      Domain Defined Attr:     Disabled
      Cluster alias address:   Disabled
    .
    .
    .
    When /DOMAIN is set the "Domain Defined Attr:" will be ommitted by LIST
    
    Stefan
68.2Be carefulSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de ProblemeTue Jan 29 1991 14:4625
    
    Oh by the way,
    
    If I remember correctly, when we designed V2.1 we did have a look at
    Internal DDA:s, but we decided not to use them because they were *not*
    relayed through our X.400 connection. I don't remember whether this was
    a restriction on MRX or the particular ADMD (MAILnet in Finland) that
    we connected to. Nor have I any idea what the protocol says.
    
    We do want the DDA:s to relay through X.400, the reason why we put
    them there in the first place was that MRX has a bug in it, they'll
    crash on Extensionid in outgoing delivery reports. Extensionid maps to
    MEMO's Receiver List position. Because of this MRX bug, we switched to
    DDA "MRMRLP" to map to this item.
    
    Now, as I said in .1 you can switch off the DDA:s, but this means you
    run the risk of losing delivery notification functionality (ie mapping
    the original MEMO to the reported recipient), not only over X.400, but
    I'm afraid throughout the MR network. It's not so bad if the MEMO only
    contains one recipient, but distribution lists may mess things up, to
    the degree where the wrong recipient is reported as having received the
    message.
    
    Stefan
     
68.3I can't see a solutionMUDIS3::RROSENBERGERRainer Rosenberger @MFR, PZ-SOGYWed Jan 30 1991 10:2126
    Hi Stefan,
    
    we used the addressing scheme in .0 in a test environment and we did
    change our software. So in our case we had a 'workarround'. Your
    suggestion would have been worked too (with all the disadvantages
    described in your replies). I think this is more or less an MRX
    problem and I did QAR this problem. The following situation should give
    an example:
    
    From MR/S or MR/P to DDS-registered X.400 Form 1.3 recipients with DDS
    attributes like
    
    COUNTRY, ADMD, Surname, Givenname, X121address, DDA and 
    Reverse_lookup =  1=country@2=admd@11=x121address@*DDA@mbx@node 
    
    will fail too (because the gateways put the X.400 relevant attributes
    into the SA fields and into USERID/ROUTE). Here MRX could either use
    the SAs or the USERID/ROUTE informations because they are the same but
    fails with 'node to be inserted already in tree'.  
    
    This is different for MR/MEMO because the MRMddas are dynamic and
    therefore cannot be registered in DDS. 
    
    I have no idea how to solve the problem.
    
    Rainer