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Conference tnpubs::xwell

Title:Honeywell (Bull) Alumni
Moderator:TNPUBS::JONG
Created:Tue Mar 31 1987
Last Modified:Thu Apr 27 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:57
Total number of notes:213

13.0. "Big fish -> Little fish" by ULTRA::KINDEL (Bill Kindel @ LTN2) Sat May 30 1987 10:25

    One of the arguments which people offered when trying to dissuade me
    from moving from Honeywell to Digital was that "it's better to be a
    big fish in a small pond than a little fish in a big one". 
    
    I suspect that many of us who have made the shift have had times when
    we've had second thoughts along these lines.  In my own case, it's been
    a challenge to establish new credibility in an area which is somewhat
    removed from my "long suit".  At the same time, there's a MUCH greater
    opportunity for further professional growth here. 
    
    Other thoughts?
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13.1Some thoughts from MarketingMURPHY::MORSETue Jun 09 1987 12:0426
    My first entry into the notes file.  I'm one of your missing
    Honeywellers - Lorraine Morse at MURPHY::MORSE.  I'm just completing
    my first year in Marketing, and "hit the wall" at 3 months, 6 months,
    9 months with final acceptance coming after 10 months - this can
    be a frustrating company to work in.  Survival is learning how to
    manage the frustration.  When I finally accepted that frustration
    was normal, I felt that I had "arrived".  It's often difficult in
    marketing to feel that I've made a difference.  I stuck it out at
    Honeywell for as long as I did (8 years), because with each new
    assignment, I felt that I could make a difference.  Being a slow
    learner, it took me a long time to accept that the political system
    was impossible to overcome.  After the image product that I was
    working on was killed, I gave up.  Trying to get image products
    in Digital has been as frustrating as it was in Honeywell, so after
    one year in my present job, I'm looking to make a change.  The good
    news is that there are all kinds of exciting opportunities, and
    although I was a "little fish in a big pond", I apparently didn't
    go unnoticed as I have several possibilities.  The most important
    piece of advice that I can share is that follow through is very
    important here at Digital.  Building and maintaining credibility
    is extremely important.  In marketing, our jobs can only get done
    by working with many others inside and outside of our group, so
    having a good reputation goes a long way.  
    
    Just some thoughts from another part of the organization - Lorraine
    Morse
13.2a few thoughts from a tadpole...TSG::PHILPOTThu Jul 02 1987 12:4954
    Although I had strong feelings on this subject when I first read
    the basenote, I waited before replying, to have a little more
    experience at DEC (I've only been here 2 months).
    
    Before I left Honeywell, I gave a great deal of thought to giving
    up my "medium fish" position there.  And although I technically
    made a lateral move (project leader there, project leader here),
    there is alot to be said for the reputation one leaves behind. 
    It takes a long time to build a good reputation (not as long to
    build a bad one  :-)  )
    
    The problem here at DEC (in my organization at least) is that it
    seems almost impossible to build any sort of a reputation at all!
    The senior people here do not appear to be very willing to share
    their knowledge and experiences.  In my experience, the people with
    the knowledge & experience at Honeywell were much more open and
    helpful.  Here, getting information is like pulling teeth!  I am
    taking over as project leader in a month for someone who is leaving
    the company to go to business school.  For a very long time, I was
    constantly left out of (not told about) meetings, left off distribution
    lists, etc.  Things have started to improve, but slowly, and due
    in great part to my own efforts.  This seems terribly
    counter-productive to me.  When I was at Honeywell, the group(s)
    I worked for did everything they could to get the new "kids" up
    to speed.  When I left, I did everything possible to help the new
    project leader know what was going on, who was who for which purpose,
    etc.  That type of support system does not appear to exist here.
    Why?  Are people too afraid of "competition" from their co-workers?
    
    I know 2 months in a job is not a long time.  And don't misunderstand
    - I do not regret the move, and would certainly never go back. 
    But these feelings are not mine alone.  Our group has doubled in
    size (from 6 to 12) in the last 3 months.  All but one of the new
    people are senior people, with 4 or more years experience.  And
    the feeling of being regarded as a tadpole (not even a little fish)
    is very prevalent.
    
    One final observation:  The technical people that have been here
    for a while are held in SUCH high regard - length of service is
    everything!  I have heard conversations between engineers, all with
    significant lengths of service, and the one with the LONGest length
    of service will pipe up and say "Well *I* think it should be this
    way.*  And it is!  Period.  No discussion.  This too as been very
    difficult for me to accept.  Everyone's opinion has some worth,
    and everyone is capable of shedding some light, I think.  But not
    around here.  It's too bad.  And maybe it'sjust that way in this
    organization.
    
    If this note sounds like I am unhappy here, I'm not.  But I think
    it's going to be a long time before I am thought of as a
    significant-size fish!
    
    Lynne