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Conference tnpubs::xwell

Title:Honeywell (Bull) Alumni
Moderator:TNPUBS::JONG
Created:Tue Mar 31 1987
Last Modified:Thu Apr 27 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:57
Total number of notes:213

7.0. "Quality Processes" by DELNI::JONG (Steve Jong/NaC Pubs) Mon Apr 27 1987 12:05

    Fellow ex-Honeywellers tell me I swallowed too much snake oil, but
    I kinda liked the idea of the Quality Process (you know -- conformance
    to requirements and all that).  I thought management totally killed
    the program with their cynical non-implementation, but that's another
    story.
    
    Since coming to Digital, I've been trying to find out more about
    "their" Quality Program.  To sum up, the Honeywell definition was
    conformance to requirements; the Digital definition is "satisfying
    the customer."
    
    Any details?  Any thoughts on how it works?  Any interest at all?
    
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7.1Perhaps it's instinctualULTRA::KINDELBill KindelMon Apr 27 1987 14:5414
    The fatal flaw in the Honeywell application of the Quality process
    ("conformance to requirements") was that there was not an assurance
    that the requirements were subject to the same standard.  Instead,
    a VP would indicate that the requirement was a "perfect" product
    by an arbitrary date.
    
    My experience here at Digital is that (a) the ultimate goal of the
    product (at least the one on which I'm working) is better-defined, and
    (b) development is done as a series of smallish steps headed toward
    that goal rather than one giant leap from nothing to code freeze.  I've
    had to learn a few new disciplines in making estimates for the small
    steps, but there's little debate about the requirements with such an
    approach.  Without referring to Deming, the important most part of the
    quality process is already in place.
7.2some backgroundEXODUS::KRISHNASWAMYMon Apr 27 1987 17:1231
    I do not know enough about the "Quality Process" in Digital to comment
    or compare. But I was involved with the Honeywell process enough
    to understand its strenghts and weaknesses. 
    
    Just a note on where it came from...
    
    A gentleman named Crosby once (in the 70s) ran a QA department in
    a major DoD outfit (Lockheed, I believe) and instituted a "Zero
    Defect Program". He later left the company and went on to fame and
    fortune running a Quality College in Florida which sells and teaches
    his 14-step Quality Process. Some noteworthy Fortune 500 companies
    are its clients, like Dupont, IBM, etc., I believe even DEC people
    have shown up at some of the classes. It is difficult to tell because
    I do not think DEC made the committment at the *Corporate* level.
    
    Whatever reservations one had about the definition, one had to see
    it applied by *believers* to realize how well it can work. It can
    be applied at every level of the organization,in fact that is one
    of the messages we did try to get across in ASD in Middlesex Turnpike.
    In other words, to corrupt what Bill Kindel said, it could be applied
    in little steps.
    
    The greatest values to me in the process were the identification
    of customer-vendor relationships and measurable goals that could
    be used to improve "quality". The problem with the "quality" of
    the product requirements themselves was recognized, and was being
    slowly worked on at least in ASD.
    
    Too bad it died of apathy.
     
    
7.3"Schedule" as a RequirementDELNI::JONGSteve Jong/NaC PubsTue Apr 28 1987 10:459
    On the last major project I worked on, "meeting FCS" was one of
    the requirements.  We screamed at that every chance we got, but it
    was never changed.  Of course, as time went on and schedules got
    tight, it turned out (surprise!) that schedule was the first
    requirement among equals, and functions were dropped to meet the
    schedule.
    
    They didn't take the time to do it right the first time -- or they
    didn't feel they HAD the time.  Very sad.
7.4-<Schedule>-TIGGER::AMUISETue Apr 28 1987 11:036
    			-<"Schedule" as the prime requirement>-
    
    I really must agree about the schedule business. I saw it in my
    relations with my last project.
    Al Muise
    
7.5schedule vs. functionalityEXODUS::KRISHNASWAMYTue Apr 28 1987 11:1413
    Re .3 and .4
    "Meeting Schedule" was always a problem. We approached it where
    I worked by saying that schedule or to put it another way "time
    to market"WAS also an important requirement and must be negotiated
    with care up front. Then if schedule slips, the either the "vendors"
    did not do a "quality job" OR there might be new circumstances that
    warrented either a new schedule or dropped functionality. But I
    agree it was never easy.
    
    Oh, by the way "do it right the first time" was a lot harder than
    it sounds due to built-in "bad habits" so we started using the phrase
    "do it better every time"