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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

5197.0. "Selling Netscape Products on ALPHA ???" by BRSADV::DESCHUYTER (De Schuyter@BRO DTN:856-7543) Fri Mar 21 1997 03:23

    Hi,
    
    I am looking for some good references of customers who are using
    Netscape products on our CURRENT Alpha server offering.
    
    To keep a long story short, we have customers buying Alpha
    Systems with Digital UNIX v4.0. Most of the Netscape Server 
    products are only certified and supported on V3.2c ! And yes : V3.2c is
    NOT supported on our current Alpha Servers !
    I my case I have different projects for Netscape Directory and Netscape
    Mail server.
    
    Result : HOW CAN WE SELL NETSCAPE SERVER PRODUCTS ON ALPHA ???? 
    
    Is there any sales rep in the same siutation as we are ?? 
    FYI : take a look on http://basura.zko.dec.com/decplan.html
    
    Any inputs ?
    Stefan,-
    
    
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5197.1MUDGEE::ZORBASNULL JuniorFri Mar 21 1997 06:393
    What about GYRO::INTERNET_TOOLS?
    
    Stuart
5197.2I will add some ...BRSADV::DESCHUYTERDe Schuyter@BRO DTN:856-7543Fri Mar 21 1997 08:5514
    Hi Stuart,
    
    Yes, I understand your reply ! I am rather looking for references than for 
    a technical solution which I would find there. And maybe a good idea
    that the field is aware of this issue ... 
    
    PS: I will add in your place :
    
    What about note 5186 -> MLOPCS::IBM_AS400
    and note 5179 -> VAXAXP::VMSNOTES
    
    ;-)
        
    
5197.3PADC::KOLLINGKarenFri Mar 21 1997 14:023
    I'm confused about what version numbers you're talking about here.
    I am currently running Netscape V3.01 on my Alpha UNIX V4.0A...
    
5197.4BEGIN::ROTITHORFri Mar 21 1997 14:050
5197.5ResponseAXPBIZ::MOEHLENPAHFri Mar 21 1997 14:4622
I'm Digital's onsite engineering manager at Netscape.

There is a difference between certification and "may run" as noted by
the base author.  The servers are built and tested on UNIX 3.2c.
Therefore, the certification and support is on UNIX 3.2c.

There is some empirical evidence to suggest that most of the servers
actually run on Digital UNIX 4.0x, but at the same time, some empirical
evidence to suggest that problems have been experienced inside of
Netscape technical support.

There is a move underway to attempt to certify the SuiteSpot 2.2 Servers
on UNIX 4.0b.[also WNT 4.0...]This project, once undertaken and finished, would 
help you.

Also, we are moving Netscape engineering off of 3.2c platforms onto 4.0b
platforms slowly but surely, which will help with the newer servers 
currently under development.

Ed M.
(thanks to Mike Greenfield, who alerted me to the presence of this note)

5197.6They'll choose SUN !BRSADV::DESCHUYTERDe Schuyter@BRO DTN:856-7543Tue Mar 25 1997 04:5416
    Hi Ed,
    
    Thanks for your prompt reply. I understand that the certification is 
    underway. But what arguments would you use in my place ?
    
    My customer is an important ISP and bought an Alpha 1000A.    
    He wants to use Netscape Mail server and Netscape Directory server
    and now we have to tell him that his configuration is not supported!
    I am affraid that his reply will be simple : 
    "I will go for SUN where there latest OS IS SUPPORTED !"
    
        Stef,-
    
    
    
                            
5197.7bthomas.zk3.dec.com::THOMASBen ThomasTue Mar 25 1997 09:3025
As Ed has pointed out in his note, there is work currently underway
to perform certification of the Netscape products on Digital
UNIX 4.0b.   A number of different avenues, including hiring some
contractors to work for Ed, are being tried with the goal
being to get the certification done as quickly as possible.  One
of your concerns, the mail server, is currently in the process
of being certified.  We hope that this process can proceed rapidly,
and finish soon.  However, it will be weeks before this the entire line
is completed.

We're doing whatever we can to make sure that these products install
and run without problems.  Thanks for letting us know that this is
a problem for you.  Please continue to let us know where we can do
a better job.

Thanks,
b


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Ben Thomas                              [email protected]
Digital UNIX Internet Group             (603)-881-2219, DTN: 381-2219
Digital Equipment Corporation
      Mailstop ZKO3-/W20, 110 Spit Brook Road, Nashua, NH 03062
5197.8Questions on native Alpha / Netscape on NT ..OTOU01::MAINSystems Integration-Canada,621-5078Tue Mar 25 1997 18:1912
    
    re: Netscape products on NT platforms - are there any restrictions
    with NT - Alpha ? Are there native Alpha versions available ? Have
    the Netscape products been tested with FX!32 if no native versions 
    yet ? Any timeframes for native Alpha NT Netscape versions ?
    
    Given recent desktop Alpha systems (500Mhz in $3k range), there 
    is now a requirement for native desktop browsers as well ..
    
    :-)
    
    / Kerry
5197.9native browsers --- no problem -- sortaTROOA::MSCHNEIDER[email protected]Tue Mar 25 1997 19:043
    There are and have been for some time native browsers, both Netscape
    and Microsoft on Alpha NT.  Problem more often is the lack of native
    plug-ins and FX!32 certainly has helped there.
5197.10NT/Alpha is behind, as usual :-(pcivb1.vbo.dec.com::BERGERVincent BergerWed Mar 26 1997 07:5711
NT/Alpha versions from Netscape usually lag well behind Intel 
versions, both for browsers and servers.
On the server side, currently almost no Netscape product supports NT 
4.0 on Alpha, whereas most Intel versions do. See
http://www.netscape.com/comprod/server_central/product/pricing/index.
html

especially the table about SuiteSpot servers for Windows NT close to 
the top of the page.

	Vincent
5197.11COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Mar 26 1997 09:035
OpenVMS/Alpha versions of Netscape seem to be in pretty good shape.

But maybe I'm not aware of the advances on other platforms.

/john
5197.12things move so fast ports are out of the questionLGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (DTN 381-0426 ZKO1-1)Wed Mar 26 1997 12:4412
re Note 5197.11 by COVERT::COVERT:

> OpenVMS/Alpha versions of Netscape seem to be in pretty good shape.
> 
> But maybe I'm not aware of the advances on other platforms.
  
        The browsers that are there (on VMS) are good, but they
        represent a generation behind what Netscape currently has in
        late beta testing (and for the Netscape servers it's two
        generations behind).

        Bob
5197.13about NT 4.0AXPBIZ::MOEHLENPAHWed Mar 26 1997 19:3911
The same certification process is being propsed for Alpha NT 4.0 as well.
The main problem has historically been an installshield problem where the
correct (i.e. corrected installshield for NT 4.0) version wasn't used to
build the kits that are shipping.  Thus, problems during installation of
the product.  I believe this problem was corrected for some products, but
the whole list may not have been addressed (hence the need for the 
certification process).

Ed