Conference 7.286::digital

Well the Q3 DVN was shown yesterday in the site in England (SBP) that i work in!
 Not very well attended! Nice overview of the chip plant at Hudson, Now i known
a bit about "FAB 6" that i keep hearing about (Obviously nothing todo with
Thunderbirds!!) Bob as always is a good speaker, talked about how wonderful
Digital is at all these things (cut to slide containing list of things we do
weell) and when asked "If Digital is doing so well why arent we all getting BIG
pay rises"?? answered "well there just isnt enough money in the pot yet! but
keep hoping! and if you threaten to leave you might get more to stay on!!!"

Otherwise it was the same old stuff, no wonder it wasnt very well attended!

Gerald

    I was too busy to go to it; is the text of it on line someplace?
    
    /Charlotte

						Trace

    Re: .1
    
>a bit about "FAB 6" that i keep hearing about (Obviously nothing todo with
>Thunderbirds!!) Bob as always is a good speaker, talked about how wonderful
    
    Well, what *DOES* the "F.A.B." they say in the Thunderbirds 
    really mean?
    
    ...petri (who has always wondered about that, but... ;-)

    
    Damm, Petri I used to know this. It was in one of my thunderbirds 
    annuals from 197x.  And no I dont still have it so I cant look 
    it up !
    
    Mark./

re.4:

>    
>    Well, what *DOES* the "F.A.B." they say in the Thunderbirds 
>    really mean?

It does not mean anything. 

Dave.

    Oh goodie - a computer dweeb 60's TV series rathole ......
    
    F.A.B. as pronounced by Lady Penelope means "fab".  It is a "scene"
    joke with 2 levels of indirection.  You have to know a little
    about Gerry & Sylvia Anderson and to have dated a Sloane Ranger type to 
    really get it.  It is really innocuous but under the Thunderbird 
    code of honour, I cannot reveal it (unless of course someone wants
    to trade the meaning of OFWAMI :-)
    
    Now, back to your regularly scheduled Q3 forum...
    
    Home Parker!
    

    FAB and the meaning thereof:-. The subject of much debate during my
    college years. We concluded it came from the FAB 4 - the Beatles, who were
    very popular at the time of Thunderbirds. Therefore, FAB is probably short
    for the word FABULAS. 
                                                                     

    Courtesy of http://altavista.digital.com (search:
    thunderbirds AND fab OR "F.A.B."):
    
    		http://www.brookes.ac.uk/~p0054463/gfaq2.html
    
    
    	"10. What does "F.A.B." stand for?
    
    	    "Perhaps the most frequently asked question by new THUNDERBIRDS
    	fans, the definitive answer came from Sylvia Anderson herself
    	during her promotional tour for her book YES, M'LADY. According to
    	Sylvia, F.A.B. stands for... 
    
    	"...absolutely nothing. 
    
    	    "It was something they made up on the spur of the moment during a
    	writing session, Sylvia says, and it was never intended to stand for
    	anything other than to spell out the letters of a popular British slang
    	word--"fab"--during that era. Many people have attempted to find other
    	meanings ("Filed, Actioned, Briefed", "Fine--Acknowledge Broadcast"),
    	but it never meant anything other than "fabulous" "
    
    ...petri

    
    
    Fabulous

    Re .1
    
    >>and if you threaten to leave you might get more to stay on!!!"
    
    That's always amazed me.  Someone finds a job elsewhere for more $$, 
    gives his/her notice and then the boss comes out with a counter offer.
    
    I have a friend who just went through that in another company.  The
    external offer was substantially more and her boss was ready to counter
    offer with even more.  In effect, they admitted she worth a lot more
    than what she was being payed.  She alerted them of this fact and then
    turned down the counter offer as a matter of principle.
    
    What's the mindset? (1) Pay someone as little as possible, just enough to 
    keep them happy enough to stay?  (2) Pay someone what they're worth? 
    If they get offered more from outside, then you can't match because
    they're not worth that much to you.
    
    Probably a function of both as well as a function of the times.
    
    -dave
    

    
    You can always order a video of the Q3 Employee Forum thru
    VTX IR.
    
    Hope that helps..d

    re: ... and if you threaten to leave you might get more to stay on!!!"
    
    I didn't hear the forum.  If this is the true attitude at the top 
    level of management it strikes me as being terribly naive.  I think that 
    a manager that (even jokingly) encourages people to bail as soon as a 
    better offer comes along fosters disloyalty to the company and mistrust.
    
    Personally, I try to make work more fun for me and for those around me.  
    I have intense loyalty and trust with people in the buildings I work in.  
    Perhaps some in top management would think me a fool for not bailing for 
    better offers.  Maybe I am.  But, they would be even more foolish if they 
    didn't work to keep a fool like me.  The alternative for them is to have 
    to find a more expensive and less loyal fool to replace me.
    
    Steve

>    I think that 
>    a manager that (even jokingly) encourages people to bail as soon as a 
>    better offer comes along fosters disloyalty to the company and mistrust.
    
    As if laying off or selling off half the company hadn't accomplished
    that task already!
    
    -Mark

    re: .17
    
    I guess I'm assuming that management that has laid off folks will try
    to do some kind of damage control to keep and encourage the survivors.
    It's one thing to let folks go.  It's another to encourage the
    survivors to bail, too.  
    
    Steve  

    re -1
    dream on...how long have you worked for Digital-a week or so?Rule
    1-it's the way it is.Rule 2-look out for yourself.Rule 3-it used to be
    better elsewhere,now you can't be sure.Stick to these and stop
    dreaming.

    re: .19
    
    Actually, I've been working for Digital a bit more than a week.  Coming
    up soon on my 10-year anniversary.  During my career I've also worked
    for TI, Mostek and others.  I *do* look out for myself.  One of the
    ways I look out for myself is to work for competent management.  And,
    that's the reason I commented in the first place.  My direct management
    seems competent to me.  They demonstrate they want to keep talent here.
    
    Steve  

    so are we going to discuss base topic  or not?
    my inquiring mind would like to know since I couldn't make it.
    
    nope, I'm not interested in the transcript or formal text.
   

    Is there still a gateway from VTX to the Web, even an
    informally-maintained one?  And if so, is there a URL for .22 ?
    

No guarantee these will remain here long.  It looks like the URLs may
change depending upon new articles being added. 

Transcript at:

  http://vtx-info.shr.dec.com:888/cgi-bin/vtx?U19b513f4?C7?N?C6?C1?C9

And the Q and A's at:

  http://vtx-info.shr.dec.com:888/cgi-bin/vtx?U19b513f4U19b513f4?C7?N?C6?C1?C8
    

    These URLs will be around awhile...
    
    Text of speech...
    http://vtx-info.shr.dec.com:888/cgi-bin/vtx.com?e=livewire&F=3169
    
    Q and A
    http://vtx-info.shr.dec.com:888/cgi-bin/vtx.com?e=livewire&F=3172

    Tnx, Bill! :-)