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| 4462.1 | | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | See http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/ | Mon Mar 04 1996 08:56 | 18 |
| H�kan, others:
> It's hard to beleive that vendors without a consistent
> 64-bit strategy would rule the future world ...
Which is more valuable:
o A consistent 64-bit strategy, or
o A consistent marketing presence?
As you answer, please remember that the world's dominant operating
system is an outgrowth of a product that was known as "QDOS --
Quick-and-Dirty Operating System". It has significant problems
implementing its 20th bit, let alone its 33rd bit.
Atlant
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| 4462.2 | Never #1, especially Marketing | DUPS::SYSTEM | Kam USDS (714)261-4133 (DTN 535) IVO | Mon Mar 04 1996 16:05 | 63 |
| What's with the Network?
The only guys that are advocating 64-bit is DEC. The rest are selling
32-bit and making big profits and fueling continuted growth e.g.,
RISC UNIX growth, can't remember the Magazine, UNIX Review or
something, but found this with Alta Vista:
1995 1994
HP 32.7% 33.7%
Sun 19.7% 22.5%
IBM 18.4% 10.8%
MIPS 17.7% 20.2%
DEC 5.1% 1.02%
Other 6.1% 12.8%
Our Competitors already have the industry convenced that they have
Clusters and it doesn't run on a proprietary operating system.
After a MASSIVE search I couldn't find one category that DEC is first
in except never coming in first.
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Still working on my Ten Reasons to Buy Digital. I can't find anything that
Digital is Number One in.
From Datamation June 1, 1995.
How do vendors reate in terms of customer satisfaction?
PCs Workstations Software Datacom Hardware
Compaq HP HP AT&T/GIS
HP IBM Digital 3Com
AST Sun Borland Cisco
Dell Digital Novell Cabletron
Digital Lotus Motorola
Gateway SAS IBM
IBM IBM
Apple Microsoft
Packard Bell Unisys
Legent
Oracle
CA
Peripherals Servicess & Support Large-scale systems
HP HP Unisys
Conner IBM Amdahl
Lexmark Digital IBM
Western Digital Bell Atlantic Digital
EMC Unisys Intel
Seagate
Quantum
IBM
Digital
Apple
Xerox
Midrange & Servers
HP
Sun
IBM
Digital
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| 4462.3 | | VANGA::KERRELL | salva res est | Tue Mar 05 1996 07:33 | 9 |
| re.0:
I'd say the report sounded about right. We don't have significant market
share in anything except things almost no one else does (64-bit).
As for UNIX, from where I sit in the UK, we see little to no UNIX
marketing on an on-going basis. Our focus appears to be Windows NT and we
don't even dominate in that market.
Dave.
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| 4462.4 | But our growth quadrupled! | TRUCKS::WINWOOD | golden bridge is just around the bend | Tue Mar 05 1996 11:14 | 8 |
| Re: .2
You can also observe that using the table shown it is apparent
that the only two companies that _grew_ '94 - '95 were the large
blue one and Digital.
Depends on the way you look at these things, as with most data.
C
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| 4462.5 | how about... | CSC32::C_BENNETT | | Tue Mar 05 1996 11:21 | 14 |
| Still working on my Ten Reasons to Buy Digital. I can't find anything
that Digital is Number One in.
1). First 64 bit implementation of UNIX?
2). Largest installed base of 64 bit UNIX customers
3). # of applications available on 64 bit architure
4). Fastest CPU available?
5). VLM database benchmark data?
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| 4462.6 | Still; 64-bit is the issue | STKHLM::WIDMAN | | Wed Mar 06 1996 07:57 | 18 |
| re.3 :
Correct ; most of our marketing/sales people are talking about NT.
In fact they even try to sell Windows NT to customers that are seeking
UNIX solutions :-(
Don't know how they (our salesforce) justify their proposals .
I think 64-bit is the key for selling Alpha ...and Windows NT is NOT
64-bits ...
IMHO I don't think that Windows NT is "mature" enough to compete with
UNIX and OpenVMS.
// H�kan Widman (One-who-really-loves-OpenVMS)
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| 4462.7 | Selling NT when Customer wants Unix ... Other Vendors Clusters | JALOPY::CUTLER | | Thu Mar 07 1996 07:00 | 41 |
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I sure hope that is not true, people pushing NT when the customer wants
a UNIX solution?
On UNIX clusters, give me a break. What the UNIX vendors and MicroSoft are
pushing as clusters .... are not clusters. VMS clusters are clusters, VMS
clusters are the industry benchmark against which all other clusters are being
measured. I really don't understand why our UNIX group isn't trying to implement
something as equivalent and powerfull as VMS Clusters (maybe they are)?.
We have an edge on all
the other vendors (including MicroSoft), in that we have the engineering
expertise (we've done it before), we have a implementation to draw from, let's
put that to use, to our advantage. We're letting the rest of the industry define
what a cluster is (and they're changing the definition), customers who don't
know better (never having known what a VMScluster was) will come to understand
other vendors cluster definition as being "gospal". I just had one of my
customers come back from a MicroSoft Non-Disclosure on what they're doing with
NT and NT clusters, his comment ---- "ITS NOT A CLUSTER" ---- "THE DESIGN HAS
MANY HOLES" ----- "THEY'RE JUST SLAPPING SOMETHING TOGETHER" ---- "ITS SIMILIAR
TO WHAT THE UNIX VENDORS ARE OFFERING" --- "ITS NOT A HIGH AVAILABILITY
CLUSTER". He knows the difference between the two, are we going to let this
slip away from us, let HP take over in this area too? Wake Up people!!!! If you
have too --- Implement a DLM (distributed lock manager) in our UNIX, if you
think that will make it a proprietory implementation, then hide it deep in the
bowels of the OS, so that no one need program to it, but use to implement real
clusters.
WAKE UP..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't get hungry and start
listening to what customers are saying, you will (no we) eventually starve to
death!
sorry for my tirade this morning, this is one battle we should not lose,
but it appears (at least according to the industry consultants) we're losing.
Absolutely --- NO EXCUSE for this one!
Rick
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| 4462.8 | The UNIX clusters effort is well underway. | SMURF::STRANGE | Steve Strange:Digital UNIX, DCE DFS | Thu Mar 07 1996 10:14 | 10 |
| > I really don't understand why our UNIX group isn't trying to implement
> something as equivalent and powerfull as VMS Clusters (maybe they
> are)?.
We are. The process has been underway for a few years now, and it's
being released in waves. Check out:
http://www.zk3.dec.com/cluster/clust_prog.html
Steve
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| 4462.9 | Thanks for the pointer | JALOPY::CUTLER | | Thu Mar 07 1996 10:49 | 6 |
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thanks Steve, I will check it out.
:)
Rick
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| 4462.10 | Have a Look at the 3Q DUPS Info ... | CGOOA::WARDLAW | Charles Wardlaw / DTN:635-4414 | Sat Mar 09 1996 17:17 | 15 |
| For the record, the Q3 DUPS training presentation material (and
presntations if you can still get to one) has *lots* of material that
would be helpful to anyone interested in:
- How we are continuing to build on our lead in high-end UNIX
environments (the UNIX "TruClusters" are but one of several
areas where this is the case)
- Lots of material regarding how we stackup against
both RISC and x86 competition for the NT space
I for one was quite encouraged by what I read. (Sorry - no pointers;
I read someone else's copy of the presentations).
Charles
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| 4462.11 | | tennis.ivo.dec.com::KAM | Kam WWSE 714/261.4133 DTN/535.4133 IVO | Sat Mar 09 1996 19:35 | 8 |
| Our information in nothing unique. The information can be gotten from
xirtlu.zko.dec.com/www/cluster.html
or just doing a search on the IR for "clusters".
If you want our presentation it will be posted on the IR under the
category DU.
Regards,
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| 4462.12 | PCWEEK, 3/11/96 | REFINE::MCDONALD | shh! | Tue Mar 12 1996 08:34 | 8 |
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On the cover of the March 11 issue of PCWEEK:
"DEC, Oracle joining forces to create new Unix cluster."
- Mac
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| 4462.13 | Windows Magazine on Digital UNIX | MK1BT1::BLAISDELL | | Tue Jun 18 1996 23:21 | 8 |
| I just thought this would be a good place to take note of some good
publicity for UNIX in general, and Digital UNIX on Alpha in particular
in July's Windows Magazine. An article by Mike Elgan references
advantages of UNIX vs WNT for large multiprocessor scaling. Another
article by John Ruley also discusses relative advantages and
performance of 64-bit UNIX and Digital UNIX in particular.
- Bob
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