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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

4458.0. "Roger Heinen left Microsoft" by AXPBIZ::MIN (David Min) Fri Mar 01 1996 14:11

In the recent article on Microsoft reorg, I noticed that Roger resigned from Microsoft.
Does anybody know where he is now?

Just curious.
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4458.1QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centFri Mar 01 1996 14:403
The press release said that he retired (at 45!)

			Steve
4458.2Isn't 45 the mandatory retirement age at Microsoft?SMURF::PBECKRob Peter and pay *me*...Fri Mar 01 1996 15:412
    Basking in the Seattle sunshine, with a pina colada and a listing of
    the VMS V1 line printer driver...
4458.3Leaving SeattleNQOS01::nqsrv430.nqo.dec.com::ThompsonkrKris ThompsonTue Mar 05 1996 12:323
I hear he'll be returning to the New England area this spring to build 
a home with his wife.

4458.4BUSY::SLABOUNTYDon't like my p_n? 1-800-328-7448Tue Mar 05 1996 13:464
    
    	I'd build the thing with wood and concrete, but I guess that's
    	just the kind of guy I am.
    
4458.5ROWLET::AINSLEYLess than 150 kts. is TOO slow!Tue Mar 05 1996 15:125
    Who is this person?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Bob
4458.6WHYNOW::NEWMANInstalled Base Marketing - DTN 223-5795Tue Mar 05 1996 15:303
    re .5
    
    He was one of my classmates in college
4458.7SCASS1::SODERSTROMBring on the CompetitionTue Mar 05 1996 15:506
    .6
    
    BFD
    
    Who is he??
    
4458.8QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Mar 05 1996 15:565
A former developer on VAX PL/I (and VAX C?), later a Technical Director
or some such title at Digital, and then he moved to Microsoft to be with
his long-time co-worker Dave Cutler.

				Steve
4458.9E::EVANSTue Mar 05 1996 16:2412
Wasn't he a VP at Apple too?  As I remember it, Roger was a high level 
individual contributor at Digital who moved into management then quickly 
moved to Apple as a VP of Software then moved again to MicroSoft as a 
VP of Software.  To me it looks like an inspiring example of how an 
individual contributor moved up quickly into management, jumped ship 
a couple of times to better VP jobs with competitors and then retired 
early with lots on money in his pockets.  I wouldn't mind if it happened 
to me.

Jim


4458.10BECALM::NYLANDERTue Mar 05 1996 20:3466
    Here's the whole Roger Story, rather than the distorted bits and
    pieces....  (But a previous observation about Roger "jumping around"
    hits the mark pretty well, though).
    
    Joined Digital in the mid-1970's to work on RSX (I think he graduated
    from WPI with at least a degree in Art, although this parenthesized 
    material may be my contribution to the confusion;  he was the whimsical
    free-hand illustrator of the "Engineering a Compiler" book).
    
    Contributed to VAX VMS V1 (I believe), PL/I, and C.
    
    Went with the original founding wave to DECWest, where he worked on
    MicroVAX I and the ELN operating system.
    
    Came back to New England about 1985, before PRISM really took off, and
    became what, at that time, really amounted to Technical Director of
    Software; he was Bill Heffner's technical guy.
    
    Roger, more than anyone, is responsible for forcing VMS off of VMS's
    losing proprietary GUI (UIS) that VAX workstations had at that time,
    and onto X11 / DECWindows / Motif.
    
    (When Roger went out to his car a short time after the UIS cancellation
     meeting that he conducted in ZKO, his BMW's windows were smashed.
     It turned out to be a simple radar theft, but caused a bit of
     a "Holy Macaroni" reaction at the time, since those at the meeting
     were pretty mad at Roger [this from Roger himself and from Jake
     VanNoy, the DECWindows architect]).
    
    When PRISM was cancelled and Cutler resigned, Roger went back to
    DECwest to run the place for a few months.  When Heffner lost UNIX,
    Roger came back to New England again to be Vice President of UNIX.
    
    Not too long after this, he left Digital and went to California to be a
    Vice President at Apple.  Since Apple was on the upswing, he probably
    made lots of money there before going to Microsoft to be V.P. of the
    Developer's Division.  
    
    Roger didn't go to Microsoft to join Cutler;  quite the opposite.
    Since the "DECwest mafia" who built Windows/NT at Microsoft held Roger
    largely responsible for the cancellation of PRISM, there were not
    warm feelings there.  Cutler personally felt that Roger had become 
    a beauracrat.
    
    At Microsoft, Roger suceeded in hiring away many of Digital's best and
    brightest senior software people from the east coast, just as Cutler
    had done with the west coast Digital people.
    
    And now, after probably making a TON of money at Microsoft, he's
    crossing the country for about the 6th time to retire to New England.
    
    Roger was a clear thinker, very smart and articulate and dedicated, and
    like Dave Cutler, was a much better example of what once made Digital
    great than are the less-capable detractors who are still at Digital
    criticizing these guys.
    
    However, I must observe that by the time Roger left Digital, many
    people were calling him "The Black Prince";  this reflected his mode of
    dress, and also some less-than-flattering connotations that are
    reflected in his soured relationship with Dave Cutler.
    
    In spite of having personally experienced the "Black Prince" aspect
    when crossing swords with Roger, and having some permanent stylistic
    differences with him, I think Digital could to a lot worse than for
    Roger to decide to come out of retirement here in New England and come
    back to Digital.
4458.11Maybe we should look at it before killing itPERFOM::HENNINGTue Mar 05 1996 23:3910
    What I liked about Roger was that when he was a high level guy and I
    was a first-level manager trying to defend my product, and he wanted to
    kill it, I sent him a mail message saying "How about you come watch a
    demo first".  He came.  He paid attention.  No other person at his
    level did the same.
    
    I can't remember whether he continued to press for killing the product,
    but I do remember that when my assignment became 1/2 time technical
    doing performance work on X11/DECWindows/Motif, he sent my boss a
    thank-you note.
4458.12Not ArtNPSS::KIRKWed Mar 06 1996 09:506
    To set part of the record straight, Roger graduated from WPI in 1973
    with a degree in Computer Science. I believe he joined DEC right after
    graduation.
    
    Dick Kirk
    WPI Class of '73
4458.13also a bike racer...MPGS::MILLSMon Apr 29 1996 10:202
    He was also quite a good bike racer (bike as in road-racing bicycle not
    motor cycle) circa '77 and '78.